<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Samantha Atkins </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:sjatkins@gmail.com" target="_blank">sjatkins@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>> </div>we do know from the size of the genome so
that mass of those other implementation details can't be
significantly larger than what software engineers are
already accustomed to. Of course because the code was nor
written by a human being it could still be hard for them
to figure out why it works, but as long as they know it
does work perhaps they don't need to know why to reverse
engineer it.</span></span></blockquote><span class="">
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</span><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> <i></i></div><i>If you arguing from the size of the genome then that
is a bit odd. The brain physically is produced from the genome </i></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">The adult brain is different from a newborn's because<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>it has learned from<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>events in the environment, but so would a<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">n</div> AI. The question is how complicated does a machine have to be to <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">be </div>able to learn and become intelligent at a human level? Well, the entire human genome is 750 meg with about half of that used for the brain, so at most the instructions for building a seed AI would have to be about 375 meg, and almost certainly less than that and probably a lot less.</font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> <span style="font-size:large"><i>over many years to full maturity.</i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">How long a cake needs to bake in the oven tells you nothing about the length of the recipe. </div> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">><i> </i></div><i>And NNs are notoriously opaque to understand the
workings of quite unlike software most SEs deal with.</i></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">True, but once the seed AI is built humans no longer have to understand how it's mind works, we just introduce it to the world and let it learn stuff just as we do with a human child. </div> </font></div><font size="4"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="4">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> <i></i></div><i>I could be wrong but I have long had the opinion that getting to
AGI by uploading a human brain effectively is sort of like getting
to human flight capability by scaling up literal birds, flapping
and such and all. </i><br></font></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I think so too but like you it's only a hunch and I could be wrong.</div> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="4">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I think that we will arrive at distinctly not human AGI by a
mixture of methods long before we have true human upload
capability.</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">But I think once machine intelligence has been achieved, either by AI or reverse engineering the human brain and uploading, nothing will take very long anymore; things will start to change at a breakneck pace. And I mean that literally, human biological necks could very well end up getting broken. </div> </font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div>
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