<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:10 PM, William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I hope you mean extreme environmentalists. Surely you are not in favor of pollution, etc.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am an environmentalists and the link below is good news to me.</div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></span><font size="4">At one time I <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">too </div>called myself an<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>environmentalists<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>but no longer, the very word has become polluted and no longer means what it once did. Every large mainstream environmental organization opposes insecticides herbicides and artificial fertilizer but they also oppose genetically modified plants even though they don't need those chemicals.<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Today every large<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>mainstream<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>environmental organization opposes the use of Golden Rice even though it could prevent 2 million people dying every year and a half a million children going blind because it is a GMO and even though 108 Nobel Prize winners (up from yesterday's 107) say GMOs are beneficial. To environmentalists the shooting of one gorilla at a zoo is a great tragedy but 8 million people starving to death each year (which GMO's could help prevent) is just a statistic. </font><br><br><font size="4">And of course every large mainstream<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>environmental organization opposes<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>greenhouse gasses, but they also oppose nuclear power plants even though they produce no greenhouse gasses and have the best safety record of any power source. <br><br> John K Clark</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I agree with everything you say. The organizations are just too extreme. But that should not poison the well. If we stop all antipollution laws we will over pollute our planet. But in some cases we are not extreme enough. Case in point: fertilizers. They are way overused and run off in to creeks and eventually the ocean. Why not limit the amount each farmer can use based on his farm size? (That might also stop some bombing!) We need clean air and nuclear power plants can replace the coal ones. Why can't we have a real debate on anything nowadays without extremists from both sides dominating the issue?</div> </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Everything seems so polarized and I am not the only one saying so. </div> </div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Further: we libertarians have to concede that the feds have a place in the world. We need more regulation like inspection of foreign foods we import. That's a wide open door for terrorists to get through.</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> The supplements we take are unregulated: Consumer Reports says that many supplements don't have what the label says they have, or not in the amounts they say they do. Where is the FDA?</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I will always be an environmentalist, but maybe without a capital E. I do not contribute to those organizations you are referring to. I knew that they were too extreme long ago. But you know? No one's perfect.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Moderation in all things - Socrates</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">bill w</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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