<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016  William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>> ​</div>we know for a fact that consciousness can change the physical state of an object. john</span></blockquote><div style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>How do we know this?  </font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​I can't say how we know this bit I know why I can. I consciously decide to pick up a physical flyswatter and the physical flyswatter moves, and ​I have a strong hunch you're conscious but I know for a fact I am.</font></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Thinking?  OK, define that. </font></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​No. Examples are vastly more important than definitions.​</div> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">​> ​</div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">My problem is that these terms just keep getting thrown around with no real definition,</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​That's not a problem as long as there are examples, after all examples are where lexicographers get the information to write the definitions in their dictionary.​</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​Most people haven't looked in a dictionary in years but they get along just fine because they have examples.​</div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> John K Clark</div></font></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>