<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">(sorry about sending the previous one - I have no idea what key I hit to do it)</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">In the past couple decades, western commerce has become entirely dependent</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">on reliable electronic communications. Yesterday I got call from a friend</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">in NY who had to cancel his weekend visit because an airline faced major</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">delays over computer glitches. Think about it. spike</span><div class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Delta is now having serious troubles with their computers. Seems they just asked their software to do more and more. Question is: why don't they spend enough money on new software when their entire business depends on it? You can't blame the computers when you don't spend enough to keep them up to date.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Or maybe they are being hacked by the Chinese or Koreans or Russians or whomever just to keep in shape for a potential war, and nobody wants to tell us about it. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> Will hackers win the next war?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:26 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="im HOEnZb"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">In the past couple decades, western commerce has become entirely dependent</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">on reliable electronic communications. Yesterday I got call from a friend</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">in NY who had to cancel his weekend visit because an airline faced major</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">delays over computer glitches. Think about it. spike</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div></div></div></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
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</span><span>On 2016-08-14 16:18, BillK wrote:<br>
</span>>>... Drones don't win wars. They create more enemies / terrorists than they<br>
<span><br>
> destroy. You need (robot) boots on the ground to win wars.<br>
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</span>>...I used to argue with a classmate who planned to become a military<br>
<span>officer that the future was automation, drones and war fought by nerds in<br>
front of computer. He disagreed, saying "you will always need a guy with a<br>
</span>rifle"...Which leads to a real question for the list: what are the<br>
technological requirements for being able to do this remotely? ...--Dr<br>
Anders Sandberg<br>
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I disagree with Major Westerdahl. There are plenty of scenarios whereby<br>
virtual warfare can be waged without hurling chunks of metal, without any<br>
particular type of foot-ware in any particular geographical location. We<br>
are seeing a virtual civil war in the USA apparently being instigated by<br>
Russians with no physical presence, no traditional weapons, no particular<br>
foot-ware.<br>
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In the past couple decades, western commerce has become entirely dependent<br>
on reliable electronic communications. Yesterday I got call from a friend<br>
in NY who had to cancel his weekend visit because an airline faced major<br>
delays over computer glitches. Think about it.<br>
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spike<br>
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