<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> yet, inexplicably, no one seems to want to create a massive bipartisan effort to get rid of any and all voting systems dependent in any way on electronics in any form. Oy.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Hey cool, a post free of any partisan political content! By me of all people.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I agree with all of that, Spike, but to me the major cause of corruption in the voting process is gerrymandering in the state legislatures by the party in power. I saw just a few days ago a North Carolina law was struck down that essentially inhibited blacks from voting - by a Repub legis., natch. I have no idea what to do about this problem, but it's a big one, far more pervasive than the problems you mention. Win at any cost is the motto. Cheat and even if you get sued the court might be stacked for you. Mississippi does this constantly. You have to go to federal court to get relatively unbiased judgments. (yeah, Dems do it too)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">bill w</span></p></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:07 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:22 PM<span class=""><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Our Ageing World<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 2016-08-14 19:33, William Flynn Wallace wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">>>… Will hackers win the next war?</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>>…It might be more relevant to ask whether hackers will win the next diplomatic negotiation…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ja. The hacking led to this paradoxical comment in the article:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">>…</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">Even so, we have to accept that someone is attacking our nation's computer systems in an apparent attempt to influence a presidential election…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">Sure, but it resulted in catching the head of the DNC, who unfairly attempted to influence the nomination of her party and lost her job. So this is a case where hacking caught the bad guy. This is a good thing, ja? On the other hand, the result was allowed to stand, even though it was derived through cheating. What does that tell us? If hacking catches the bad guy, is the hacker a bad guy? Or does the hacker become the good guy?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">>… And it points to the possibility of an even worse problem in November -- that our election systems and our voting machines could be vulnerable to a similar attack…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">Well ja. We know those machines can be hacked: <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/10/an-easy-to-find-15-piece-of-hardware-is-all-it-takes-to-hack-a-voting-machine/#gref" target="_blank">http://thenextweb.com/insider/<wbr>2016/08/10/an-easy-to-find-15-<wbr>piece-of-hardware-is-all-it-<wbr>takes-to-hack-a-voting-<wbr>machine/#gref</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">And yet… still… with that known risk, the obvious solution is not even suggested: get rid of those goddam voting machines. Replace them all with a system that leaves a permanent auditable re-countable paper trail. Now, wasn’t that simple? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">We still have paper ballot boxes in many places; voters punch out their ballots on paper cards, then physically drop their ballots in the box. Then a group of people of all political persuasions follow that box every minute from the time it leaves the polling place until the time it arrives at the countiong place and all the paper ballots are counted and filed. But the voting machines? No, those are different. No need to watch those. Those don’t count. They are just votes, not paper ballots, and besides no one is quite sure what is actually going on there anyway, if anything at all.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">OK sure, so what happens if a candidate appears to have won with plenty of evidence of cheating? Do we care if Americans lose faith in the democratic process? Do we then just shrug and let the suspicious result stand? Or what?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">Anders this problem has been sticking in my craw at least since November 2000, if not before. We had a suspicious result, there was no way to recount some of the ballots, and the questionable outcome was left to stand. There were consequences. And yet, inexplicably, no one seems to want to create a massive bipartisan effort to get rid of any and all voting systems dependent in any way on electronics in any form. Oy.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">Hey cool, a post free of any partisan political content! By me of all people.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#222222">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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