<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So to restate your closing line, "it is sometimes rational from the</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">genes viewpoint for genes to build brain mechanisms that induce humans</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">to act irrationally from their individual viewpoints." Keith</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">I do think the question of altruistic behavior is settled, at least for me. But - I still object and would rewrite your rewrite: "....that induce humans to seem to act irrationally from..........." bill w</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">You can make a case that more human mental effort is expended on</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">rationalizing than on rational thinking. Keith</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Fully agree - the ego, if you will accept that term, largely makes up reasons after the unconscious makes its choices</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">If y'all are going to accept 'rational irrationality' I am outa this discussion.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> bill w</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Dan TheBookMan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class=""><div>On Aug 18, 2016, at 1:26 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:</div><div><b style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> extropy-chat [<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg</span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Meta question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2016-08-18 17:32, William Flynn Wallace wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Given that, we cannot define irrational behavior. spike</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Weight in on this Anders - please?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Huh? I thought Caplans definition is pretty clear. There is epistemic rationality - trying to believe true things - and instrumental rationality - trying to choose the most effective means to get one's goals. People can fail at these, and then we may say they are irrational<span style="color:windowtext">… Ja.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">BillW, remember the first time you fell crazy in love? Sure you do. We all remember that time, we remember the best time we fell in love. Fortune are those for whom the first time and the best time was the same event.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">OK now. In light of that experience… Remember all the stunning illogical ways of “thinking” you did, all the silly goofy decisions you made, the things you said, oy vey. My bride holds each of these dear in her memory. It worked out well, all of it. Illogical acts are sometimes perfecly logical, certainly from my son’s point of view.</span></p></div></blockquote><br></span><div>I feel you're confusing pleasant and fortunate with logical there. ;)</div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Sample my Kindle books via:</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><font color="#000000" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" target="_blank">http://author.to/DanUst</a></font></div></div></div></span></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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