<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px">So what would you propose to stop heart attacks for the majority of<br>the population that have a poor diet and don't exercise?<br><br>Tell them to have a complete lifestyle change? As if they would<br>listen. Most of the time doctors can't even get their patients to take<br>medicine.<br>---------------------<br>The answer according to some, is to have a nanny state. For ex., warning labels may be required on Big Macs. But if people are going to be stubborn, continue smoking, drinking too much, eating poorly, watching too much TV (lack of exercise) then they will have to pay the price for their shortsightedness. Or will they? What if we put things in the water that they are nearly forced to use?<br><br>Quick question for libertarians: is fluoridating the water a nanny state solution, to be resisted? Will we put anti-obesity pills, once developed, into the water? How much forced medication is too much?<br><br>bill w</blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Dylan Distasio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:interzone@gmail.com" target="_blank">interzone@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">While I'm not a statin evangelist or even completely sold on the cholesterol hypothesis in terms of cardiovascular disease, there is a large component of cholesterol production and makeup that is genetic. While exercise can certainly help raising the HDL fraction, diet has relatively little impact on overall cholesterol levels in most cases.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><font size="2">On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p style="border:0px none;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-stretch:inherit;font-family:helmet,freesans,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.375;margin:18px 0px 0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline"><font size="2">And London cardiologist Dr Assem Malhotra said: "There are serious question marks about the reliability of industry-sponsored studies on the side effects of statins, and essentially that's what this review is.</font></p><p style="border:0px none;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-stretch:inherit;font-family:helmet,freesans,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.375;margin:18px 0px 0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline"><font size="2">"And a lot of the scientists involved in the original studies were involved in this review. It is not an independent review."</font></p><p style="border:0px none;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-stretch:inherit;font-family:helmet,freesans,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.375;margin:18px 0px 0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline"><font size="2">This is a quote from the BBC article that Bill K sent to me. It confirms what I think: you can't trust industry, which is making billions from the drugs, to do unquestioned research.</font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yes, I'm extremely skeptical of claims that a man-made drug is safe and effective for a problem that is basically due to poor diet and lack of exercise.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>-Dave <br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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