<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Well BillW, you know the cure for having not looked into it, ja? So do we.<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">Let's get our issue straight here. Take the Freedom of Information Act Lyndon Johnson signed. I see big problems with it re the press. If the public, including the press, cannot access gov. actions then what good is the freedom of the press? </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">Again, I have not looked into it in detail, but here is a problem: the Bush administration, as have numerous others, I suppose, put the lid on sensitive information by declaring it a secret (just researching secrecy would take all my time for weeks, likely). The press howled about the abuse but I never saw anything further about it (following such things is not exactly a hobby of mine, and some of you may know about it).</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">Clearly, subsequent administrations of different political party, could reclassify such things as would embarrass former gov. officials, and maybe that has been done.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">What other freedoms is the press missing? What can we do about it?</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">bill w</span></font></p></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Dan TheBookMan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class=""><div>On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:10 AM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> extropy-chat [<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 16, 2016 7:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] sugar industry corruption<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#222222">>…So much for the United States supposed freedom of the press. <br><br><a href="https://rsf.org/en/ranking" target="_blank">https://rsf.org/en/ranking</a><br><br>C.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black">Well, if 40 countries have greater freedom than we do (highly doubtful) I think that's a great thing</span>…<span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ja! But we have it explicitly ensured in our own constitution, so why aren’t we big number 1 on that?</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>Recall, it was an amendment. And this should also lead you to question the efficacy of constitutions.<div><span class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"> </span><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black">I have heard no complaints from our press about their freedoms</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Indeed sir? Have you not heard of James Rosen and his run-ins with the Department of “Justice”?</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>Not just him. The RSF site also lists other examples. The US government has a long history of talking freedom, but when it comes to actually respecting it there's a mixed record. And the respect is usually in the breach here.</div><span class=""><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:black"> So I think we cannot be much freer, but I have not looked into it.</span> b<span style="color:black">ill w</span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Well BillW, you know the cure for having not looked into it, ja? So do we.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div></span><div>lol </div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Sample my Kindle books via:</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><font color="#000000" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" target="_blank">http://author.to/DanUst</a></font></div></div><div style="line-height:normal"><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"></div></div></div></div></span></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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