<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">We might speculate that it will likely eventually be the anti-Heinlein situation: those births left entirely to chance will likely be looked down upon.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I know that isn’t an answer, only an observation. spike<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I think it's a good answer. In a couple of scifi books I've read 'naturals' compose a control group who suffer allergies and all that 'natural' brings. I am totally in favor of messing around with the gene pool. I do have serious questions as to how we are going to get started on it (though we already have). </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif">Here's an item I found in Dnut:</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><br></font></p><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" align="center" style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:19.2px;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr><td align="left" style="font-family:helvetica;color:rgb(32,32,32);line-height:30px;font-weight:bold;font-size:20px">DNA Threesome Produces Healthy Three-Parent Baby</td></tr><tr><td align="left" style="font-family:helvetica;color:rgb(32,32,32);line-height:28.8px;font-size:16px"><p style="margin-top:5px">Surprise! It has been possible for a child to have three biological parents <a href="http://dailypnut.us9.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=e8d181bde02154228dd7d7c0a&id=2ff0f8610b&e=595a16146c" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(7,110,179);text-decoration:none">since the 1990s</a>! But according to <a href="http://dailypnut.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e8d181bde02154228dd7d7c0a&id=bd1e739da4&e=595a16146c" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(7,110,179);text-decoration:none">a report in New Scientist</a>, there is now a <em>new</em> method that proved successful earlier this year. A baby was born in Mexico in May with two biological mothers and one biological father. The method, which uses a small amount of mitochondrial DNA from a third parent, is banned in the United States. It was used in this case to prevent the child from inheriting a disease from its mother. Critics say there may be numerous unknown failed cases and <a href="http://dailypnut.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e8d181bde02154228dd7d7c0a&id=f726ec2c98&e=595a16146c" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(7,110,179);text-decoration:none">ethical questions that still need to be answered</a>. The whole thing really gives a new meaning to the term “ménage à trois.”</p><p style="margin-top:5px">Cute, eh? So getting rid of diseases is going to become old hat real fast. But how about improvements? (Yes, preventing a disease is an improvement but you won't catch me saying 'positive improvement'). You can't take mice data for human data, and so any attempt to improve an embryo is going to be very iffy. Can you see the pile of legal documents the parents will have to sign? Just a few screwups and they'll ban improvements - not in Mexico or elsewhere, but here.</p><p style="margin-top:5px">I am sure Anders can supply us with some ethical question links on this subject.</p><p style="margin-top:5px">bill w</p></td></tr></tbody></table></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:10 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] circumcision again<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>… OK - now can we return to the question that started this? From Anders post I assume he thinks that any good done by genetic meddling is OK. Is that it? When you become aware of what was done to you by the gengineers you are just thankful because they created you as good as you could be with the genes you were given and those that they reprogrammed, were donated by someone else and so on, are OK too?</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…I remember from Heinlein's Friday ("My mother was a test tube") that being a hybrid of sorts and not 'natural' was looked down on. You were a second class citizen. Was Heinlein simply wrong about people's reactions to not being 'natural'?</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">bill w</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi BillW,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OK then. Leaving the DNA recombination to chance is also doing something. A similar argument was made to me regarding my stance on circumcision: my blocking that was doing something. Now my son must face that operation later, they said. My volley: sure but if he does, he is the willing victim if he opts for it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regarding the act of facilitated genetic recombination, we again have all the moral dilemmas posed by the puzzling dichotomy of doing something vs doing nothing. I don’t have the answer for that, other than to make the following claim: if the technology is available (it is now) to eliminate some known genetic diseases, then failing to do so is an action. Doing nothing is doing something. Assuming that natural is good is doing something.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We might speculate that it will likely eventually be the anti-Heinlein situation: those births left entirely to chance will likely be looked down upon.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I know that isn’t an answer, only an observation.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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