<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:16 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-5540896794108580913WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] biology term<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms"">>…<span style="color:black">Yes, first, do no harm. </span>…<span style="color:black"> Now we know that we created jillions of problems by killing off gut flora with those same life-saving antiobiotics, and increased a host of problems.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms"">>…<span style="color:black">My latest book, B</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">BillW, you were on a roll here, but it looks like you were cut off mid-sentence. I was hoping someone who knows stuff will post on this topic. We don’t know where to call 911 if you have a stroke mid keystroke.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">What about your latest book? All this time we didn’t even know you are a published author. Thou hidest thy candle under a bushel sir.<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">spike</span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div><span style="font-size:27.2px">Fiddling with gene frequencies without</span></div><span style="font-size:27.2px">knowing more about the consequences is a risky business.</span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="font-size: 27.2px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); opacity: 0.3;">rex</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div> </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">Sorry - this happens a lot to me and I hit a couple of wrong keys (wish I knew which ones) and my draft either gets sent prematurely or it disappears entirely.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">My question relating to the last post is this: how can we avoid harm by gengineering humans when there is no comparable species to test the changes on? Maybe it is unavoidable that changes will cause bad problems that will have to be worked out. I have no idea how the medical ethics people will work this out.<br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">The latest book I read, Brain Maker, by the author of Grain Brain, makes a strong case for the following diseases to be involved with disturbances in gut bacteria (can't say caused yet):</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> depression, autism, MS, anxiety, Parkinson's, chronic headaches, and a lot more.</div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am much more convinced by the evidence he presents than I was by Grain Brain.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Medical people had a toy in the 1940s - antibiotics. It was a wonderful treatment for many things that previously were uncurable. Kill all the germs - make germs a bad word. Now we know that there was a big downside that we are still experiencing: antibiotics wiped out gut bacteria that were first established by vaginal birth and breast milk and no efforts to reestablish them were done - and are still not done by the average physician.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Effect: increases in obesity, autism and more. "First do no harm" did not apply. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> We are still largely in the dark about probiotics (and prebiotics, which the gut bacteria feed on, mostly fiber, fermented foods, etc.), but he quotes some amazing studies that are affecting autism and much more by changing diet, adding probiotics, or in the extreme, getting fecal implants full of probiotics. He has a list of good probiotics and a week's diet plan (not very reasonable, imo).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Highly recommended. David Perlmutter, author.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">(I got a really funny look from a nurse when I commented on the bottle of alcohol rub for killing germs on your hands when I was at the doctor's lately - I said "In the future that bottle will be gone. You will be better off going around kissing everybody on the mouth than trying to kill germs on your hands." )</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-5540896794108580913WordSection1"><div><div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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