<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px">OK, thought experiment, let us assume a basket of deporables exists. Pretty easy to do: every society everywhere has deplorables. Who goes in there? Criminals. (Any objections to labelling criminals as deplorable? spike</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px">Are we assuming just for the POTUS? If so, are we counting traffic tickets? Insider trading? What?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px">If not, then for what? Lesser offices down to dogcatcher? I would not eliminate certain criminals for certain jobs. How about those who were pardoned? Or DUI? Hell, once I spend the night in jail because of an alcohol test. Am I deplorable? I think there needs to be some balance here, and maybe some forgiveness for some crimes.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px">Once you create a category and start putting some people in it, there may be a problem stopping, and maybe a problem expanding the criteria, as Spike seems to suggest.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:24px">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:19 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-4414075762362976755WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Nobody can say we weren’t warned<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>… if Trump wins I'm not going to put the Mr. What is Aleppo crowd in my blameless book…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I see. Does it work the same if Clinton wins and it turns out badly? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">…<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…Trump could do what he did in 2012 when the election didn't turn out as he wished, call for an insurrection: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"<u></u><u></u></span></i></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We should have a revolution in this country!<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></i></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"<u></u><u></u></span></i></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Oh perish the thought how shall we cope woe is me oy vey.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don’t see anything in that about taking up arms. Do you?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">John people march on Washington all the time. We saw a million guys do it on 16 October 1995, or some indeterminate large number. That too was called a revolution. Life goes on. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have revolutions now too. Bernie Sanders called for it. His was defeated by cheating, but the result was left to stand. Had there been no cheating, it isn’t at all clear to me that Bernie’s revolution would have failed. We would be left with one mainstream candidate who we could at least hold a modicum of respect, even if we disagree with him and know his administration would be a flop before he was even sworn in.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…once Trump gets into power how will we ever get him out? John K Clark<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Impeachment, if he does anything illegal. Trump would be waaaay easier to impeach than Clinton. Reasoning: she has a party behind her and Trump does not. We have seen an impeachment vote split along party lines, in pretty recent memory with familiar names.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>… in 2012 people just ignored the bozo but there are a lot more deplorables in Trump's basket now in 2016…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Oy, the infamous basket of deplorables comment again.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OK, thought experiment, let us assume a basket of deporables exists. Pretty easy to do: every society everywhere has deplorables. Who goes in there? Criminals. (Any objections to labelling criminals as deplorable? (We don’t need to make special subcategories for anything, such as tax cheats, because they are criminals (in ya go, sleazebags.))) <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How about… hmmm… racists. OK that’s certainly deplorable, in they go. (Note that others cannot assign the status to them any more than we can privately decide what is illegal and toss them in for being criminal. Courts decide that.) <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How about abortion advocates and abortion adversaries? Both? Neither?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Those who advocate certain religions? Which? All religions? Only violent ones?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is Sam the video-guy deplorable?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can one land in the basket for political views? Who gets to decide which? Do I? Do you? Do the major candidates? Only the two parties’ candidates?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rich people? (Does it matter how they got rich?)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Poor people? (Does it matter how they got poor?)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nazis?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Communists?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Socialists?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Capitalists?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Who goes in that basket?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Before we can give any credence to the whole notion of a basket of deplorables, we need to know who gets that label, how they got there, and so forth. I only thought of a few criteria so far, but there is only one category above that is unambiguous, criminals. This is defined (no secret code needed) as one who breaks the law, done.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We can even skate on traffic law (otherwise anyone who drives becomes deplorable eventually, even if by accident.) Even the second category is tricky, because we have all been labeled racists by someone (not just the drivers here, all of us.) I suppose we are left to relying on one’s own admission, and their willingness to climb into the basket voluntarily. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Political views, well some are wearing that deplorable badge with pride now; I am seeing the T-shirts “I was deplorable BEFORE it was cool” etc. Who gets to decide which political views?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question please: if we assume the existence of a basket of deplorables, who goes in there? Why?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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