<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I'm starting to think it may be time to consider some form of the nanny state. john</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">(sorry about the premature sending)</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">What capabilities do people of IQ 85 and below have? That's about 16% of the population that isn't going to get a true high school degree, much less a college one. They can impress you with physical skills but not with cognitive ones, the very ones needed for the future.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Throw in another 34%, IQ between 85 and 100, and you have a high school, but not college degree. These are not going to be upper level people in any job. Midlevel at best.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">So what are we going to do with them in an AI world? Most crime that we hear about is blue collar - poor, unemployed, and perhaps unemployable. Perhaps there would be less of it if we gave everybody a guaranteed income (welfare feeds a lot of people but it doesn't pay most bills).</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Frankly we have more people at every level than we need, so the long term solution is to get them out of the gene pool without creating an evil, authoritarian state.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">There will be a lot of objections to paying people to stay home and watch TV, but what else are we going to do with them?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:46 AM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I'm starting to think it may be time to consider some form of the nanny state. john</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 9:43 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53 PM, spike </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"> <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-2296654584493612715m_67076988270121718gmail-m_4857880139378597212gmail-m_-5341204459401309976gmail-m_2374274416099247172gmail-m_-7173808967567044222WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Cool! So now we have a demonstration using an 18 wheeler:<u></u><u></u><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2016/10/25/ottos-self-driving-semi-truck-made-beer-run.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/auto/20<wbr>16/10/25/ottos-self-driving-se<wbr>mi-truck-made-beer-run.html</a></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">It is cool, but I got to thinking about the social implications of driver-less trucks and of AI in general. In the USA alone 4.1 million people make their living driving a vehicle, those jobs are likely to go away in the very near future. I think the next to go will likely be the 9.7 million who work in restaurants. Traditionally the fast food industry was where somebody with no skills could still get a job, but not for long. After that its</font></div><font size="4"> bookkeepers, travel agents<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> and</div> legal aids<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. </div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And it's not just the unskilled that need to worry<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> about the increased power of AI</div>, if I were a hedge fund manager I'd make as money now <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">as I could </div>while I still <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">had a job.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></span></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">From the start of the industrial revolution there has been a linear relationship between wages the average person received and the increased productivity cause by improved technology, but about 2002 that changed, the amount of wealth produced still increase but real wages plateaued, and since 2007 paychecks have actually declined. GDP has increased but median income has not because the increase in wealth went exclusively to the top, the richest 1% have as much money as the remaining 99%. And even among the 1% most of the increase in wealth went to the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1%. </font></div></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4">As<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> recently as 2010 the richest 388 people in the world had as much money as the poorest 3.6 Billion people, by 2014 the richest 85 did, in 2015 it was 80, in the latest results made just this year the richest 62 people had as much wealth as half of the entire human species, 3.6 Billion people. </div></font><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Unless something is pushing in the opposite direction the advances in AI are likely to accelerate this trend so before long fewer than 62 will be required. But does anybody on this list think<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>nothing will push back? Does anybody think<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>this trend can continue without grave social unrest? I don't. And I think<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>that<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>is the root cause of the anger<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>in<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>the electorate and the reason some bizarre<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>illogical <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div>dangerous people may be voted into office in democracies all over the world. </font> <div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4">So what is to be done? I hate to say it because it stands against everything I've believed since I was a teenager but unless somebody has a better idea I'm starting to think it may be time to consider some form of the nanny state. After all, no matter what you job is sooner or later a machine will be able to do it better than you can. And it will probably happen sooner than you expect, that's why it's called a singularity. </font></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font size="4">.</font></span></div><div><div><br></div><div> <div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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