<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">This has been studied, in fact. You can research if you want, but the short version is, enforced sexual relations with others - and in practice (since children are physically unable to resist and often unable to determine if and when they should resist, to a degree beyond all but the least capable adults), legalizing underage sex leads, directly and inevitably in all actual cases so far (hypothetical utopias where everyone acts as they should don't exist in reality), to enforced sexual relations with others - at that age causes lasting, difficult-to-impossible to cure, psychological damage. adrian</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">I certainly did not envision anyone at any age being forced, much less a child. I did envision the couple being of much the same age.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">If forced, at any age, it will lead to treating, or being treated as an object, not a person, and this, not to mince words, is slavery - about as far from my libertarian beliefs as it is possible to get. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">I have little doubt that research of the forced variety will show what Adrian said it will show.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">I have some doubts that underage couples who are having sex with mutual consent are always (always is such a strong word; often maybe?) developing psychological problems.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">As for sex with a robot as masturbation, I find nothing to disagree with about that, but a person who only uses prostitutes, alive or robotic, has a problem with women and perhaps people in general. There is someone for everyone (said Pollyanna).</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">Unsatisfactory sex, at ANY age, can be successfully treated. Masters and Johnson found that interviews with problem couples usually revealed that both of them could just not tell the other person what they wanted - what would turn them on, sometimes because they were afraid that it would intimidate the partner and cause him or her to feel inadequate, even though inadequacy was what was being treated! </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">In other cases one partner felt that the other would be disgusted by the desired sex acts - and often this is the case. "You want to do THAT!?" These fears have to be dealt with and M and J developed some techniques that are still used with success.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">Adrian - do you think that there is some age at which a person has an understanding of what it is that they are agreeing to do? Physically and esp. emotionally? No one can predict what their emotions will be. Of course that does not magically happen at 18. Some people don't have a clue way past that age.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"> </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 2:38 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2924940354570840784WordSection1"><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Sill<br><br><b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I've been married 35+ years and…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dave I read you wrong. I imagined from your posts that you are about 30. You are one of us! Cool, my bride and I are approaching our 33<sup>rd</sup> anniversary. Thanks for the post, very enlightening.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> …Or how about teledildonics as a safe try-before-you-buy for dating couples? …-Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your comment gave me an idea. You go to the dentist, she puts this gooey stuff in a tray, you bite it, the gooey stuff sets in a couple minutes, creates a mold they put some other stuff in to create a 3D model of your chompers to sufficient accuracy to make a crown. Ja? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OK cool, suppose a couple has been dating for a couple years and are in love but haven’t met. (There’s a sentence that would have made no sense before the internet.) Couple wants to try each other before either invests in a plane ticket, so here’s the plan: coffee can, that dental goo, man views potential bride online until appropriate reaction takes place, inserts product of reaction into coffee can of goo, goo sets, man turns away from Skype screen, the usual reaction takes place after removal of stimulation, man easly removes product of reaction from mold. Then man uses a rigid closed-cell foaming polymer to pour into the cavity created, making a 3D model of himself, cuts away the dental material leaving only the replica, sort of like a subset of Michelangelo’s David, in polymer foam rubber rather than marble, sends partial replica of himself to potential bride who attaches it to teledildonics machine which is operated remotely via Skype, with audio feedback. If both make and hear the appropriate sounds, and so forth, together they get, you’re welcome.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don’t expect you to put my name on the patent application, but if a happily married couple results and offspring are forthcoming, say nice things about me.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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