<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"> the debate asked if porno</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">would make sex crime more frequent because it stimulated the appetite for</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px">such things, or less so because it partially satisfies it.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:27.2px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">A real life experiment has already been done, long ago (to me, that's the 60s or 70s). Denmark passed a law that essentially made any kind of porn legal (I don't remember about S and M and whether there were restrictions on hurting people). It did not take long before Denmark became a worldwide travel site featuring sex clubs and porn. It was just amazing how fast it grew.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Then slowly the locals got sated with it and mostly tourists were the patrons. Then they got competition from Thailand and so forth.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"> But the thing we want to know: sex crimes actually went down significantly.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">"If you build it they will come". Ok, so what if there are sexbots? No big deal. I see it as a way celebrities can make tons more money by licensing their bodies and/or faces and voices to put on sex bots.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">As for underage sex, I think we should, as libertarians, study this a bit. Why shouldn't a 12 year old have sex? A six year old? Too young? Why are they too young? A perfect time to learn. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">If you are the type who thinks of childhood as a fantasy time where children are innocent and should be kept that way and believe in Santa Claus as long as possible, and adults are wicked and evil, then go jump off a cliff. <br><br>Children's rights will be the next thing after women suck all the juice out of increased freedoms. Society is very, very hung up on sex and it's time to change that. The nudists have a point: to cover up something and tell children that touching and seeing and self-exploration are bad and wrong, deliver a potent message to these children, who go on to have sex as adults and not have the vaguest idea what they are doing. Result: men get their jollies in two minutes and women get left out.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Women depend on men when they get married to know about sex. As a former teacher of the psych of sex class, I can affirm strongly that they don't. 25% of married women never have an orgasm. This truly is a shame and it is partly the man's fault and mostly society's fault for keeping sex knowledge out of the hands of children (17 years old and still legally a child? Really? Dumb dumb dumb.)</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Another point: wanting to have sex with a robot reveals to me a less than mature attitude toward sex. Wrong? No. Evidence of social phobias? Maybe. Neurosis? Maybe. After sex with to robot you might be told "Oh you were so wonderful and big and powerful and fantastic." Just who needs that?</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Give me real women with all of their faults and all of their tolerance of my faults. To me, sex is something you do with someone, not to someone. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:27.2px"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:23 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
>... On Behalf Of BillK<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] If you built "Westworld" (or other robot sex) it would<br>
probably be with VR<br>
<span class=""><br>
On 3 November 2016 at 14:13, Dave Sill wrote:<br>
<br>
</span>> ... The only gray area I see is "underage" sexbots... Dave<br>
<br>
For some time after they hit the market, they will *all* be underage. {8^D<br>
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<br>
I see your point. We can deal. Read on please.<br>
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>...The problem I foresee is that sexbots will be *better* than the real<br>
thing... BillK<br>
<br>
This is a problem? {8^D<br>
<br>
I see your point. We can deal. Read on please.<br>
<br>
If you have ever experimented with Pandora, you know where I am going with<br>
this next idea. Pandora plays songs for you and you can up vote it or down<br>
vote it. I think it takes into account how long you listened to a song, so<br>
if you down vote a song instantly, such as something from the hip-hop<br>
catastrophe, it will no longer insult your ears with any of that revolting<br>
garbage henceforth. But the algorithm is quite good. If you have musical<br>
tastes varied enough that you seem like two or three different people,<br>
Pandora can deal. It can play stuff in accordance with one's mood, say<br>
those of us who like classic country and classical, two very different forms<br>
but both pleasant depending on one's mood. They can be set up as stations,<br>
analogous to radio stations with different genres. It's cool!<br>
<br>
OK now, imagine your ideal Jill-bot, and your favorite style, but in<br>
addition to that style you have varied taste. Say you like schmoozy cuddly<br>
most of the time, but sometimes you like a little of the rough stuff, or<br>
silly funny or costumes and things, so it isn't all that simple. A human<br>
partner can get cues and react appropriately, but... I now start thinking<br>
about how to do a Pandora-like algorithm to train a Jill-bot to be fun, and<br>
perhaps be able to take on different personalities according to one's mood,<br>
like a Pandora station.<br>
<br>
Oh would that be cool or what? Could you imagine: your job is to train a<br>
Jack-bot to act certain way depending on a customer's whim. Or wait, let's<br>
turn this around. Ladies have a job of training Jill-bots to be certain<br>
things. We could have the real brainy Dr. Arroway Jills and train her to<br>
act the way she did in the video, and you get to pretend you are Joss<br>
Palmer. Wasn't Foster sweet, kind and smart in that? Oh I am so in love.<br>
Not with Foster, but with her character Dr. Arroway, oh mercy.<br>
<br>
OK so what if you want something other than Arroway once in a while. The<br>
customer has a streak of whatever it is that cause guys to want a stern<br>
schoolmistress to spank him or something. We can hire Catherine Herridge to<br>
train the Jill-bot. We can create sex-genres! Think about it, oh the<br>
possibilities!<br>
<br>
My son's school emphasizes that the kinds of jobs these children will take<br>
are ones that currently do not even exist. Well here ya go: sexbot trainer.<br>
<br>
Another variation on a theme: replicating the actual female parts turns out<br>
to be a very difficult mechanical problem. I consider myself a competent<br>
mechanical engineer with design experience, but that one has stumped the<br>
hell outta me. Nature is hard to beat in that. I don't think we are any<br>
closer now to that than we are to a mechanical pole vaulter. However...<br>
Some couples watch porno to get in the mood for each other. Tastes vary,<br>
and computers are cheap, so it is easy enough to imagine both partners<br>
watching their own favorite genre for half an hour or so, get it stirring,<br>
then meet upstairs when the timer goes off. OK so what if we have a kind of<br>
3-D Jillbot, who is set with a genre, something fun and paradoxical, such as<br>
a bot that looks like the real-reality Jill but loves energy sources. THAT<br>
would get me turned on. Then we rely on what good old evolution has given<br>
us for the final act of the play. Both partners win.<br>
<br>
I would apply as a Jack-bot trainer and do the comedy genre. I do silly<br>
well. By bride loves it.<br>
<br>
BillK, it is eeeasy to foresee that sexbots will not only be better than the<br>
real thing, but waaaay better. But in this vision, they would be<br>
participants rather than competitors.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
spike<br>
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