<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"> It's intelligence that distinguishes us from the other animals and makes us human. John</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It's a very fine line. I like this analogy: suppose a frog whose ability to jump is limited to 5 inches, vertically. Then that frog is put at the bottom of a staircase in which each step is 6 inches. Another frog who can jump 6 inches can go all the way to the top.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">So what looks like a huge qualitative difference between these two frogs is really a very small quantitative difference.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Very fine line between us and apes.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is intelligence really just a quantitative thing, or are dozens of qualitative processes there too? Emotions can vary quantitatively but the biggest feature of them is qualitative - anger is different from anxiety, for example.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I wish I knew enough about AI to understand how they are going to program qualitative states into a computer.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I wish someone knew enough about animal emotions for us to compare us to them.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It would seem that emotions are a much more fuzzy topic than intelligence, but perhaps our definitions of intelligence just are too limited to appreciate the nonquantitative aspects of it.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am not trying to define what a human is, or just how we differ from lower animals. I don't think we know enough for that yet.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I agree with the logic of this article, but there's something missing.Yeah - it's the rest of what it means to be human: emotions and feelings and smells and tastes</blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">That's not what makes us human, other creatures on this planet have been able to feel and smell and taste for at least 500 million years, they've behaved as if they had emotions too. It's intelligence that distinguishes us from the other animals and makes us human. </font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Would I give up those things for a higher IQ? What do you think?</div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I see no reason you couldn't have both.</div> </font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>If you would, you are as cold as the machines referred to in the article.</blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I think it would be easier, far easier, for us to make a emotional machine that a intelligent, certainly Evolution found that to be the case. </div> </font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-715161590226859093HOEnZb"><div class="m_-715161590226859093h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_-715161590226859093m_-2361673560174374963HOEnZb"><div class="m_-715161590226859093m_-2361673560174374963h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_-715161590226859093m_-2361673560174374963m_-8523821228820707445HOEnZb"><div class="m_-715161590226859093m_-2361673560174374963m_-8523821228820707445h5"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div>
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