<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Treating them as being able to produce 8 (as in 2^3) combinations only<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>works if the 3 properties are independent,</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Exactly. Maybe they aren't really independent, maybe there is some sort of</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> faster than light non-local effect that is undiminished by distance or time going on; or maybe it's backward causality, the photon was born a billion light years away a billion years before I was born, but maybe even then it knew how I was going to set my detector and that someday it would interact with it. The point is no local hidden variables (like a lookup table that the particle can see but that for one reason or another we are unable to) can explain the experimental results. </div></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Also, this math doesn't work out. </blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes it does. The math works out fine it's just that when we perform the experiment the physics won't cooperate. </font></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>If you know one ball is red and<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>therefore the other is blue, there are 4 combinations the other ball<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>could be, 2 of which include "heavy". So the chance is 2 in 4, not 2<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div>in 8.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">The question is "what is the chance that the other package contains a heavy ball?". Y</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">ou X-rayed your package so you know for a fact that the ball in it is red, so you also know for a fact that the ball in the other package is blue. You also know that there are 8 different types of balls:</font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><span style="font-size:large">1) Red heavy radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">2) Red light radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">3) Red heavy non-radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">4) Red light non-radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">5) Blue heavy radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">6) Blue light radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">7) Blue heavy non-radioactive</span><br style="font-size:large"><span style="font-size:large">8) Blue light non-radioactive<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">If the ball in the other package is </div></font><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">heavy there are 2 and only 2 ways that could be:</div></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">1) The ball could be blue heavy and radioactive.</div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Or</div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">2) </div></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">The ball could be blue heavy and <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">non-</div>radioactive<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. </div></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4">That's 2 chances in 8 or 1 in 4. And yet experiment tells us the correct answer is 1 chance in 3. And that's just weird. </font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>