<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Adrian Tymes </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Oh, this part. Okay, try this:<br>
Have two identical sacks, one with a red ball and one with a blue ball<br>
(or any two other objects, indistinguishable without opening the sacks<br>
but easy to tell apart once the sacks are open). Keep one sack at<br>
random - perhaps have a random number generator that takes atomic<br>
decay as a seed - but send the other an arbitrary distance away, even<br>
billions of light years.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Then, open the sack you have. You immediately know what's in the other sack.<br>
Now, the "locality" of the information is somewhat arbitrary. You are<br>
obviously not changing anything at that far-distant location when you<br>
open the sack. Does opening your sack cause an event that ripples out<br>
at the speed of light, such that whatever is in the other sack will<br>
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arrive to see it?<br></blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><font size="4">That's the wrong analogy, a better one would need 3 complementary properties<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> not just 1</div>, so in addition to red/blue lets have heavy/light and radioactive/nonradioactive. </font><br><br><font size="4">With 3 complementary attributes you'd have 8 different types of balls<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">:</div><br><br>1) Red heavy radioactive<br>2) Red light radioactive<br>3) Red heavy non-radioactive<br>4) Red light non-radioactive<br>5) Blue heavy radioactive<br>6) Blue light radioactive<br>7) Blue heavy non-radioactive<br>8) Blue light non-radioactive</font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4">In secret and at random 2<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>balls<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>are chosen and<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>put in a <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">box and </div>mailed in opposite directions a long way apart. You get one<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>and can X ray your package to learn if it is red or blue<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">,</div> or you can weigh<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>it to learn if it<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>is heavy<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">,</div> or light<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> or you can use a geiger counter on it to learn if is radioactive or nonradioactive. But you can only use one test.</div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div><font size="4">So if you X ray your package and find that it is red you'd expect that on average there would be 2 chances in 8 (1 in 4) that the other package contains a heavy ball; it could be blue heavy and radioactive or <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div>blue heavy and non-radioactive. However when this Quantum Mechanical experiment is actually performed it is found that <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">when it is weighed </div>on average the probability <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">the other package</div> is heavy is not 1 chance in 4 but is in fact 1 chance in 3.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Bell's inequality says if things<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div> work according to common sense then it must be 1/4 or smaller, but it isn't, it's 1/3. The experiment produces a correlation between the attributes that is greater than <div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">classical physics </font></div>expected but it is exactly what quantum mechanics predicts.</font><div><br style="font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">Thus either things are non local and somehow <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">X</div> raying your package changes the attributes of the other package, or things are not realistic and so despite the name neither package can be prepackaged, that is to say neither package has any attributes at all until you <span class="gmail-il">X</span> <span class="gmail-il">ray</span> it or weigh it or check it with a Geiger-counter.<br><br>John K Clark<br></font></div></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><br>
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