<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Jason Resch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jasonresch@gmail.com" target="_blank">jasonresch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Are you familiar with:<br>
<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Compatibilism</a> ?</p></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div>They define free will as freedom to act according to one's motives without arbitrary hindrance from other individuals or institutions.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Why the distinction, what difference does it make if the </font></div><font size="4">hindrance<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> comes from other individuals or from the basic laws of physics? Either way my will is throttled, I can't do what I want to do.</div></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr"> </p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>others might say from the agent's own ability to predict it's behavior.<p></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Or rather free will is the inability to make that prediction according to the only definition that is not gibberish. If we always knew what we were going to do we'd feel like a robot. But does even a robot feel like a robot?</font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><div><br></div><font size="4">For a mind to totally understand itself it must form a perfect internal<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>model of itself. The model must not only describe the rest of the mind in every detail but it must also depict the model itself with a micro model. This micro model must represent the rest of the brain and the micro model itself with a micro micro model. This path leads to an infinite regress.</font><br><br><font size="4">Both the brain and the model must be made up of a finite number of elements. If we are not to lose accuracy the components of the brain must have a one to one correspondence with the elements of the model. But this is impossible because the brain as a whole must have more members than the part that is just the model.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>This argument does not hold if the mind is infinite, that is if it has an infinite number of segments. It would be possible to find a one to one correspondence with a proper subset of itself; for example you CAN find a one to one correspondence between the<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>set of odd integers with the set of all integers. Thus an infinite intellect could predict all its actions without error. <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">So we are led to the interesting conclusion that we have free will but God, if He exists, does not. </div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><p dir="ltr"><br></p></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>