<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Keith Henson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It's going to take more effort than I thought to make sense of the<br>
weird data we have from Tabby's star. But here is a start.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Have you tried calculating the density of Dyson-sphere building civilizations from the Tabby's star data, assuming they are indicative of an alien civilization?</div><div><br></div><div>Let's assume that the volume of space the has been searched by our telescopes well enough to detect all Dyson sphere building efforts is a cube 4000 ly on a side, centered at Earth, or 64 billion cubic light years. If this is true, then the expected average density of such Dyson spheres is 1 per 64 billion ly, assuming lack of correlation between Earth and the Tabby aliens.</div><div><br></div><div>The volume of the Galaxy is 8 trillion cubic light years. Therefore it contains, per calculation above, 125 Dyson spheres in the process of being built, at a speed of about 1/1000 years. The visible universe contains about 100 billion galaxies, so there are roughly 10 trillion Dyson spheres being built every 1000 years.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, how many Dyson spheres were built in the past 100 million years in our galaxy? Assuming no great changes in the speed of building, the answer is 125 x 10e5, and about 100 000 in our immediate vicinity.</div><div><br></div><div>Do I make reasonable assumptions? Do we have automatic surveys of star brightness in a cube of 4000 light years on edge centered on Earth? If not, the expected Dyson sphere density would go up by the ratio of surveyed stars to all stars in our neighborhood. Is it correct to assume that our galactic neighborhood and our place in time are average, allowing simple calculation of average Dyson sphere density from our local observation point in time and space? I think yes, by and by.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If all of the above is correct, then taking aliens at Tabby's star seriously would require believing that aliens, who built tens of millions of Dyson spheres in our galaxy in the last couple of hundred million years, have failed to manifest in other ways. We failed to notice 100 000 Dyson spheres in our neighborhood? Did we fail to see the multiple Dyson spheres in the surrounding 100 light years, at our doorstep? We found 28 planets (!) in this area and failed to see the Dyson spheres?</div><div><br></div><div>This strains my credulity. I am willing to take a bet up to $1000 at 10:1 odds against me that in the next year there will be no peer reviewed confirmation of alien activity at Tabby's star, or anywhere else in the universe.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div></div>
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