<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br></div>John Said: "<font size="4">I would agree that red is a subjective experience and "red" is just an ASCII sequence."<br><br></font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 7:05 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail-"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Brent Allsop </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com" target="_blank">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> And would you also agree that an abstracted work like "red" does not have this quality?</blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></span><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I would agree that red is a subjective experience and "red" is just an ASCII sequence. </div></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><font size="4">So you agree that there is a significant qualitative
difference between your experience of redness and any abstracted
representation of red like an ASCII sequence. In other words, would you agree that it could be that my brain interprets the word "red" as being your greenness experience or something. (i.e. I could have red green inverted qualia from you.)<br></font><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-"><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>And would you agree that something in our brain has this
quality when we experience it? </div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">What's with this "our" and "we" stuff? I have a subjective experience when I experience red but I have no proof that you do, in fact I have no proof that you or anybody else have any subjective experiences at all. </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">If somebody believes that a digital computer behaving as if it is conscious is insufficient evidence to conclude that it really is conscious and if he wishes to be consistent in his beliefs then there is no alternative but to embrace solipsism.</div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><font size="4">Sorry for stating that using "our" and "we". Let me
rephrase the question: Do you believe that something in your brain has
your redness quality, and could anyone else besides you detect this
stuff </font><font size="4"><font size="4">that has your redness quality while you
are experiencing it</font>, with any advanced detection system, and could they, using these same detection systems, do things like distinguish this quality from whatever it is
that has your greenness quality when you experience that, instead...? In other words, by making such observations on others, and on themselves, they could tell if someone else has red green inverted qualia from themselves?</font><br><div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></div>Brent<br><br><br></div><div> </div></div><br></div></div>