<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Brent Allsop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com" target="_blank">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail-"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>> </div>I would agree that red is a subjective experience and "red" is just an ASCII sequence. </div></font></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote><div><br><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>So you agree that there is a significant qualitative
difference between your experience of redness and any abstracted
representation of red like an ASCII sequence. In other words, would you agree that it could be that my brain interprets the word "red" as being your greenness experience or something. (i.e. I could have red green inverted qualia from you.)<br></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Certainly I agree.</div> </font></div><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Do you believe that something in your brain has
your redness quality,</font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">It </font></div><font size="4">would be more accurate to say<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>something in <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">my</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">mind</div> has <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">my</div> redness quality<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. Mind is what the brain does and sometimes my brain does red.</div></font><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>and could anyone else besides you detect this
stuff </font><font size="4"><font size="4">that has your redness quality while you
are experiencing it</font>, with any advanced detection system, and could they, using these same detection systems, do things like distinguish this quality from whatever it is
that has your greenness quality when you experience that, instead...? <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></font><span style="font-size:large">In other words, by making such observations on others, and on themselves, they could tell if someone else has red green inverted qualia from themselves?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">No. They could theoretically tell that I am experiencing the color I associate with tomatoes and stoplights and not the color I associate with spinach and golights, but there is no way they could know if my subjective experience of those colors was inverted from their own. I don't know what it would feel like to be a bat and I never will; the only way would be for me to become a bat but then I still wouldn't know because I wouldn't be I anymore, I'd be a bat. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark </font></div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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