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<p>Hi Stathis,</p>
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<p>Hmmm, I'm having troubles understanding what you are saying. You
seem to be not understanding what I am trying to say as in no
place did I intend to say that any functionally equivalent neurons
would behave differently when they were receiving the same
inputs. I am only saying that IF the entire comparison systems
was one neuron (it would at least have to have input from all
voxal element representing neurons - at the same time, so it could
know how they all compared to one another, all at the same time.)
And if this was the case, and if you swapped this entire awareness
of it all neuron - only then could you swap all the glutamate
producing representations of the strawberry with positive voltage
representations of the strawberry - just as the neural
substitution argument stipulates is required to get the same
functionality. Only then would it behave the same. If only any
sub part of the comparison system was substituted, it would not be
able to function the same. The way it would fail would be
different, depending on the type of binding system used. A real
glutamate sensor will only say all the surface voxels of the
strawberry are all glutimate when it is all represented with real
physical glutamate and a comparison system will only say all the
positive voltages (again representing the same strawberry) are the
same "red" if it knows how to interpret all it's physically
different representations of "red" as if they were red.</p>
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<p>I think the problem is, whenever you are replacing discrete
individual small neurons, there is no easy way for it to be aware
of whether they are all qualitatively alike, all at the same
time. If you give to me any example of some mechanical way that a
system can know how to compare (or better - be aware of) the
quality of all the physical representations at the same time (I'm
doing this by making the entire system be one large neuron) it
will be obvious how the neural substitution will fail to function
the same. If the entire comparison system is one neuron, when it,
along with all glutamate is replaced by positive voltages, - there
would be no failure and it would behave the same - as demanded by
the substitution argument.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/22/2016 8:25 PM, Stathis
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On 23 Dec. 2016, at 1:39 pm, Brent Allsop <<a
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<p>I tried to explain that it wouldn't be identical behavior,
until the entire substitution.</p>
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I think the issue is, as James Charles has also pointed out, that
you contradict yourself by allowing that the artificial neurone
will interact with the the other neurones normally (which is of
course crucial to the experiment) but then saying that the other
neurones will behave differently. How could the other neurones
possibly behave differently, if they are receiving the same inputs
they would normally receive?
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