<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Dave Sill </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>the program doesn't "understand" that:</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​Forget the program, if it's not behavior how do know what your fellow human beings does or does not understand?​</div> </font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>How the program deals with unexpected conditions like simultaneous red and green lights depends, again, on what the programmer implemented.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​But even the programer doesn't know what the ​</div>programmer implemented<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​. The programer took 5 minutes to write a program to find the first even number greater than 2 ​that is not the sum of two primes and then stop, but the programer has no idea what the computer will do when it runs that program, even worse the programer doesn't even know if he will ever know. The computer will decide for itself when or even if it will stop.</div></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>that's just silly anthropomorphism.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">I am using ​</font></div><font size="4">anthropomorphism<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ right now to conclude that you are probably conscious. Am I being silly? What I have done is draw an analogy with the only thing in the universe known with absolute certainty to be conscious (me) with another thing that behaves in complex ways that have certain similarities with the way I behave (you).  ​If something behaves rather like me I conclude it is probably conscious rather like me. I could be wrong but it's the best I can do.</div></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>The program doesn't "feel" or "want" anything</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​How do you know this? How do you know your fellow human beings feels or wants anything?​</div> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>brains are extraordinarily complex and not well understood.<br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">But you think you understand brains well enough to understand they are not complex enough ​</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">​to make an AI.​</font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvet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