<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-">On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Jason Resch <<a href="mailto:jasonresch@gmail.com">jasonresch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> MW is falsifiable because QM is<br>
> falsifiable.<br>
<br>
</span>We were talking about the difference between MWI and superposition,<br>
and that not being falsifiable.  QM being falsifiable is irrelevant to<br>
"MWI or superposition or something else".<br>
<span class="gmail-"><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The theory that all the parts of the superposition go away when observed, except for one, is an extension (the collapse postulate) added to vanilla QM, the math of which contains no such provision for parts of the superposition disappearing when observed.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-">
> You need to posit almost a God-like magic to allow my selection of Pi in the<br>
> use of setting polarization angles in an iterated EPR experiment, to cause<br>
> the photon pairs to be generated with just the right patterns of<br>
> polarizations to yield the observed probabilities.<br>
<br>
</span>No, I just need to posit that what you observe is what you observe.<br>
No cause or conspiracy to produce the observed results is required.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A conspiracy is required, for the statistics to match the predictions of QM in a superdetermined world and to rob all agents of control over their destinies.</div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz" class="gmail-mw-redirect" title="Gottfried Leibniz" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">Gottfried Leibniz</a>'s theory of <b>pre-established harmony</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" title="French language" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">French</a>: <span lang="fr"><i>harmonie préétablie</i></span>) is a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy" title="Philosophy" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">philosophical</a> theory about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality" title="Causality" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">causation</a> under which every "substance" affects only itself, but all the substances (both bodies and minds) in the world nevertheless seem to causally interact with each other because they have been programmed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God" title="God" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">God</a> in advance to "harmonize" with each other. Leibniz's term for these substances was "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(philosophy)" title="Monad (philosophy)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">monads</a>" which he described in a popular work (<i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monadology" title="Monadology" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:initial">Monadology</a></i> §7) as "windowless".</p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">An example:</p><dl style="margin-top:0.2em;margin-bottom:0.5em;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><dd style="margin-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.1em;margin-right:0px">An apple falls on Alice's head, apparently causing the experience of pain in her mind. In fact, the apple does not cause the pain—the pain is caused by some previous state of Alice's mind. If Alice then seems to shake her hand in anger, it is not actually her mind that causes this, but some previous state of her hand.</dd><div><br></div></dl></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Superdeterminism is just a modern day version of a pre-established harmony. The measurements you and someone else on Alpha Centauri make were pre-ordained to be just the right ones to match up with the polarizations of the photons in a manner to preserve the quantum statistics.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I roll a die.  It comes up 2.  Nothing conspired to make that<br>
particular result happen (assuming no loaded dice, I didn't trick<br>
roll, or the like).  Nothing needed to.<br>
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