<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If you want to strip that out, then it reduces to: what we measure was<br>
the truth since before the measurement.  No real thing collapses; only<br>
the range of possibilities that we know it could be collapses, as most<br>
of them prove to be incompatible with the measurement.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>and:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If the possibility that this is all math and information - that the<br>
answers were there all along, we just hadn't found (and couldn't find)<br>
them until we measured, and there are no other universes that<br>
magically come into being just conveniently forever beyond our reach -<br>
makes you uneasy, you too can Shut-Up-And-Calculate.<br>
</blockquote></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">### Ah, so your thing is superdeterminism. </div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Do you understand the informational complexity of a superdeterminist world?</div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Every particle and interaction specified and pre-ordained from beginning to end, or maybe to infinity. An infinitude of information that had to exist outside of time to order and make all answers "be there all along".</div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">So what is the physical process which generated that infinite amount of information?</div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">It sure ain't QM.</div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br></div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Rafal</div>
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