<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">re Spike's point about giving away food:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Thousands of tons of food, such as peaches, are dumped on the ground to rot because they don't meet the association's standards for retail sale. The people you would give them to would not buy fresh peaches anyway, so it can't hurt the market.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">And why not give some of the corn and wheat to our homeless instead of sending it overseas? Recall that I am weak in economics. I know we have to give some away just for our public image. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:32 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:34 PM, BillK </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I can see that universal unemployment probably means that UBI will<br>
become necessary. But I can't see where the money to do this comes<br>
from.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">The lack of sufficient wealth in existence is the very reason </font></div><font size="4">Universal <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Basic Income didn't come into being a long time ago. If it's still indefeasible in the near future there can only be 2 reasons for that:</div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">1) The machines are still incapable of generating enough wealth by themselves, in which case there are still plenty of jobs for humans and the need for a UBI is less urgent. </div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">2) The machines can generate enough wealth by themselves but they choose not to give us any of it.</font></div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline">I thought reason #1 would hold for a long time but it now looks like its life expectancy will be much shorter than I thought. As for reason #2, there is little we can do about it except hope for the best so no point in worrying about it.</div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark </font></div><br></font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_-6762562307381237182gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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