<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px">I don't get it. Poker is all about probability, and computers are unmatched at tracking cards played and calculating probabilities. Deciding whether to hold 'em or fold 'em is a simple matter of calculating the probabilities. Yawn.<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888">-Dave</font></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><b>All true, but in casinos counting cards is forbidden. If, say, a 21 player is suspected of counting cards they just start a new deck (and they are already using more than one). Counting would give an AI too much advantage.</b></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><b>Then there's bluffing. I am certainly no top player, but a player who never bluffs will be a loser, I think. An AI who used only counting and odds will be confused by a bluffer. Another unfair advantage for the AI is that human players often can use 'tells', some habit or tic by an opponent that tells what they have. No AI will show a tell, of course. </b></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.7143px"><font color="#888888"><b>Take all the psychology out of it and sure, you have an AI that won't lose in the long run. Put it in, and who knows?</b></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>From <a href="http://gizmodo.com/why-it-matters-that-human-poker-pros-are-getting-trounc-1791565551" target="_blank">http://gizmodo.com/why-it-<wbr>matters-that-human-poker-pros-<wbr>are-getting-trounc-1791565551</a><br><br><i>Limit Texas Hold’em <a href="http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6218/145" rel="noopener" target="_blank">was “solved” by AI back in 2015</a>,
but HUNL represents a much bigger challenge for AI developers. Some
cards are hidden, and competitors can only see a small portion of what’s
happening in the game at any given time. In order to win, players have
to rely on their gut instincts, guessing what other players might be
doing. In other words, unlike previous game-playing AI, Libratus has to
deal with uncertainties and game-playing characteristics that were
considered the exclusive domain of humans.</i><br><br></div>I don't get it. Poker is all about probability, and computers are unmatched at tracking cards played and calculating probabilities. Deciding whether to hold 'em or fold 'em is a simple matter of calculating the probabilities. Yawn.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-Dave<br><br></font></span></div>
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