<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class="gmail-ajy" tabindex="0"><img class="gmail-ajz" id="gmail-:i0" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" alt=""></div>I wish Spike and Bill would use the standard message quoting format. It would reduce confusion. dave sill<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">(I typed Still again - it's just in my fingers). Sorry about he misattribution. What are Spike and I doing wrong? I would be glad to make it easier to do this. <br><br>The time will come for chasing tax money overseas. I am already reading articles about it. Hope it's just a matter of time. But what is to stop a company from pulling up stakes and moving entirely to another country with few or no taxes that would welcome them to provide jobs at rates the USA can't compete with?<br><br>I am very likely for any sort of privacy bill that actually works, even though I don't need it.<br><br>bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I wish Spike and Bill would use the standard message quoting format. It would reduce confusion.<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:51 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>
I will turn it around and ask: has anyone here comments on the notion of
being terrified or comforted by constant surveillance? Do you have
examples of kids now in their teens who have always been under constant
surveillance and get nervous when they are not? USians, are you good
with all outside-your-home surveillance being 4th amendment compliant?
Does surveillance protect us or threaten us, or both? Does it enable
government wrongdoing, or expose and eliminate it, or both. Do explain
please. dave still<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I think that means Bill thinks I wrote that, even though I didn't. And my last name isn't Still. That was Spike.<br><br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I just don't care what they know about me, my friends, where I shop and what I buy - so far that has been beneficial to me, in that suggestions for what to buy next has been great.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Sure, as long as you trade your private info knowingly and willingly, that's a private matter between you and whoever is collecting that data.<br> <br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I can't see that anyone who is not a tax evader or other criminal of some sort has anything to fear.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Some people are just more private. That shouldn't be a problem.<br><br></div><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>All we have to fear is someone coming after the innocent for some reason. And being used in illegal ways, such has been done, I think, by the CIA, NSA and so on. It certainly enables wrongdoing. So does owning a hammer. On balance surveillance protects us, though not very much, unless the gov is hiding data, which I assume they are.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>There's a lot to fear: private companies or governments that intentionally or accidentally disclose people's personal data to third parties, threaten to do so, or otherwise use it improperly/illegally.<br></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>I do hope surveillance is being used to catch tax cheats, esp. the rich who are hiding money overseas. I am much more concerned about that, because that is huge numbers of people and mountains of money, whereas catching terrorists is a rare thing, if in fact we are told about it.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div> Yeah, remember that time the billionaire got caught evading taxes? Yeah, neither do I.<br></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>There is frankly a lot of paranoia about this and I don't see where any of it is justified. What can be done could be enormously evil. It's a tool at the other end of the scale from the hammer. And it is now a fact of life and will not go away - period.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Right, there risks are great and they're not going away. Privacy reduces those risks. Laws that control the use of private data could reduce those risks.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>-Dave<br></div></font></span></div></div></div></div>
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