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I will turn it around and ask: has anyone here comments on the notion of
being terrified or comforted by constant surveillance? Do you have
examples of kids now in their teens who have always been under constant
surveillance and get nervous when they are not? USians, are you good
with all outside-your-home surveillance being 4th amendment compliant?
Does surveillance protect us or threaten us, or both? Does it enable
government wrongdoing, or expose and eliminate it, or both. Do explain
please. dave still<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">I just don't care what they know about me, my friends, where I shop and what I buy - so far that has been beneficial to me, in that suggestions for what to buy next has been great. I can't see that anyone who is not a tax evader or other criminal of some sort has anything to fear. <br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">All we have to fear is someone coming after the innocent for some reason. And being used in illegal ways, such has been done, I think, by the CIA, NSA and so on. It certainly enables wrongdoing. So does owning a hammer. On balance surveillance protects us, though not very much, unless the gov is hiding data, which I assume they are.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">I do hope surveillance is being used to catch tax cheats, esp. the rich who are hiding money overseas. I am much more concerned about that, because that is huge numbers of people and mountains of money, whereas catching terrorists is a rare thing, if in fact we are told about it.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">There is frankly a lot of paranoia about this and I don't see where any of it is justified. What can be done could be enormously evil. It's a tool at the other end of the scale from the hammer. And it is now a fact of life and will not go away - period. <br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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Subject: [ExI] Weird!? - He's not on Facebook<br>
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>>...Also, I read George Orwell’s 1984 at an impressionable age, and the idea of being under constant surveillance terrifies me...<br>
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I too read Orwell at an impressionable age, but constant surveillance does not terrify me. It gives me ever more determination to make sure government behaves properly, as in within the strict bounds of the constitution. That book is what made me such a persistent Orwell drum-beater, no apologies offered.<br>
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>...I wonder if the revival of 1984 will reduce the popularity of posting everything on Facebook? BillK<br>
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"...revival of 1984..." oh music to my ears, thanks BillK, a book which never should have needed revival, should be required reading for all public school teenagers, even has drinking and a sex scene in it (of sorts) to motivate them.<br>
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I will turn it around and ask: has anyone here comments on the notion of being terrified or comforted by constant surveillance? Do you have examples of kids now in their teens who have always been under constant surveillance and get nervous when they are not? USians, are you good with all outside-your-home surveillance being 4th amendment compliant? Does surveillance protect us or threaten us, or both? Does it enable government wrongdoing, or expose and eliminate it, or both. Do explain please. BillK and you chaps in Jolly Olde and enlightened places, what does 1984 do to you?<br>
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