<div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Stathis, I’m
still having troubles trying to communicate with you.<span> </span>You keep getting distracted on irrelevant
things, and missing what is important.<span>
</span>Let me try the following to see if that helps.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Let’s go
back to our simple system that has 3 components.<span> </span>Or better, three sets of important
functionality.<span> </span>There are two
representations of knowledge, and a binding system that can bind the two
representations together – to create a composite qualitative conscious
experience.<span> </span>The two representations of
knowledge can be done with something that functions with a redness (like
glutamate) or greenness (like glycine) qualities.<span> </span>The binding system puts them together so you
can be aware of both of them at the same time as a diverse composite qualitative
experience.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Now, when
you do the neural substitution on this system, just like you can do with big or
little endian representations, you can fallaciously (for obvious reasons) argue
that the redness or greenness functionality cannot exist at the hardware (or even functional level - as long as you include the function of redness and grenness qualities) level –
but must only exist at the abstracted computational level.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">You also
said: “The ‘hard problem’ is the question of why there should be any qualia at
all. If you show that redness is associated with glutamate, you have not
answered this question.” Which is again, getting miss directed away from what
is really important here.<span> </span>Of course we
don’t know why there is gravity, we just know what has gravity and how it
performs, allowing us to fly in space.<span>
</span>The same is true with qualia.<span> </span>We
don’t need to know why whatever “has” a redness experience function – gives us
the qualitative experiences it does, we just need to know what has this
functionality, so we can detect it and use it to eff the ineffable and greatly
expand our qualitative conscious experience abilities.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Oh, and
John, glutamate and glycine only have qualities we can experience in the
hypothetical simplified qualitative world I talked about here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHuqZKxtOf4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHuqZKxtOf4</a>
.<span> </span>How would conscious beings in such a simplified
hypothetical world “see” and detect these qualities in others brains.<span> </span>Once you understand the qualitative theory in
this simplified hypothetical world, you can apply the same qualitative methods
to apply it to our obviously more complex world – to detect whatever it is that
has a redness functionality, interpret it qualitatively correctly when you do
detect it, eff the ineffable, and so on.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:57 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Brent Allsop </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com" target="_blank">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Remember, that it is glutamate that has the redness quality. </span></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><font size="4">No molecule has the redness qualia or any other qualia, they are far too simple for that. Glutamate may be able to produce the redness qualia but only in association with certain specific brains organized in certain specific ways. In other brains organized in different ways<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div> glutamate<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>could produce the blueness qualia or the pain qualia or no qualia whatsoever.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> John K Clark</font></div></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></div></div>
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