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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Hi Giulio,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">It’s good to
hear from you on this topic.<span> </span>It is true,
that we are “computers”, but there is a qualitative difference between the way
we do computations (and more specifically, the way we represent knowledge) and
abstracted computers do it.<span> </span>Obviously,
an abstracted word like “red” does not have a redness quality we can
experience.<span> </span>All the information
represented in abstracted computers is made up of the type of abstracted knowledge
that is the word red.<span> </span>So, there is a slight
qualitative accommodation required before computers can know, what it is like
to have knowledge represented by something that has a redness quality, like we
do.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Brent</p>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Giulio Prisco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com" target="_blank">giulio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I guess the keyword here is "digital." I am most certainly a computer<br>
(a system that computes its behavior according to physical laws), and<br>
I most certainly feel. Ergo, computers feel. It remains to be seen if<br>
our current concept of "digital" computer can accommodate feelings.<br>
Perhaps yes, and perhaps conceptual extensions are needed.<br>
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 7:49 AM, John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Colin Hales <<a href="mailto:col.hales@gmail.com">col.hales@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> ><br>
>> We have to deal with subjectivity.<br>
><br>
><br>
> We? What's with this "we" business?<br>
><br>
> I have no idea about you, all I know is that I deal with subjectivity<br>
> because subjectivity is the most important thing in the universe; or at<br>
> least it is in my opinion.<br>
><br>
>> ><br>
>> The time for this endless bullshit to stop is now.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I would humbly submit that your plea that the list should immediately stop<br>
> discussing this subject might have a tad more credibility if you wrote the<br>
> above sentence at the very beginning of your response and stopped right<br>
> there, instead you stuck it in at the very end of a long post on this exact<br>
> same "bullshit" subject.<br>
><br>
> John K Clark<br>
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