<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Libertarianism is on the Far Left.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>I question whether John ever was a libertarian in any meaningful sense. </blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">A better way to think about these things is to visualize two dimensions: one going left to right (conservative - liberal), and one running up and down (authoritarian - libertarian). I like the one at <a href="http://politicalcompass.org">politicalcompass.org</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Another issue: there is no such thing as a one size fits all philosophy. If we have not learned anything from the past few years, it's that adhering strictly to one position, like the tea party, is destructive of normal compromise and give and take. Radical anything is not going to work.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I also agree with John - just say what you believe and leave labels out of it. One of my sons thought he was conservative most of his life, and he found out that he espoused more liberal ideas than conservative - and he resented it in a way. I teased him about being a liberal and he got mad!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mental problems are so varied that many in the field think that the old labels, like psychotic and neurotic, are just not nearly sufficient and want to get away from labels entirely, as they confuse more than they elucidate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Any label tends to be an overgeneralization. As for the two dimensions above? They are not adequate either.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 6:55 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 Dan TheBookMan </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>There are different parts of the Right. For instance, both Clinton and Trump are on the Right (as is most mainstream US politics). Yet, they aren't the same.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Therefore when describing a political belief this entire </font></div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">left-right dimension is not necessary or sufficient. There is no general agreement on what is left and what is right, so if you tell me that X is a rightest I have no idea what he thinks about free trade or economic responsibility or </font></div></font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4">Vladimir Putin<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. </div></font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>You supported Clinton -- evidence for you being on the Right. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">When the only alternative is Donald Trump I would have supported anyone, except maybe </font></div><font size="4">Charles Manson<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">. And </div></font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4">Ted Cruz<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">.</div></font></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Gary Johnson is not (and was not) a libertarian.</div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Nor was he much of a scholar of current events. </font> </div> </div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>The LP is not the gauge of what's libertarian. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I agree, if it was I'd proudly say I am NOT a libertarian, I'm just a guy who believes in free trade free markets the free press and the right to put any drug you like into your body including heroin and cobra venom. I'm also a guy who thinks it might be nice if civilization continued. </div> </font></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Perhaps you could simply tell us what you mean by 'libertarian' and 'classical libertarian.' </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font>I have gone into that issue in some detail in posts I sent this very day. So I think it's your turn to explain what libertarianism is and how even a little thing like the advancement of AI doesn't require the modification of it in any way. I am all ears. </font></div></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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