<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 March 2017 at 08:23, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com" target="_blank">stathisp@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div class="m_-1549539826048220873HOEnZb"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873h5"><div><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873HOEnZb"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873h5"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><font class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg" size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>> </div>There are only 3 ways out of this contradiction:</font><br class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><font class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg" size="4">1) Darwin was dead wrong.<br class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg">2) I am unique, I am the last conscious being in the universe<br class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg">3)<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Consciousness is the unavoidable byproduct of intelligence because consciousness is just the way data feel when it is being processed.</font><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I don't think Darwin was wrong so it's got to be #2 or 3.</span><br></div></div></blockquote><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><br class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I think it's 3, but the other possibility is that consciousness is tied to organic chemistry, and if evolution had electric circuits to play with, for example, then the world would have been filled with zombie robots instead of conscious animals. On the face of it this is implausible but not absurd;</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Neither I nor anybody else will ever be able to prove that the idea that the element carbon is inherently more conscious than the element silicon is wrong, but I think I can prove it's silly.</font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>it becomes evident that this would mean either that consciousness and behaviour are decoupled,</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">As far as consciousness is concerned I can only speak for myself, but I know for a fact that my consciousness and my behavior are <b>NOT</b> decoupled.</div> </font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div class="m_-1549539826048220873m_-5142927527093052494gmail_msg"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>or that it would be possible to have an arbitrarily large change in your consciousness and not notice.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">If you're not conscious of a change in your consciousness then what exactly about your consciousness has changed?</div> </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly: those last two possibilities are absurd, and since they are entailed by consciousness being specific to a substrate, the theory that cosnsciousness is specific to a substrate is absurd. <br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>
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