<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style=""><span class="gmail-m_8218203615703851088gmail-im"><span class="gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-m_8218203615703851088gmail-im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>>​</div> ​</div>Just a reminder:  every input to our brain is unconscious before it is conscious</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>> ​</div>​<font size="4">How do I know that? </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">-------------</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>​</div>You know the latter because that's what the neurologists say.</div></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">​If the Turing Test doesn't work for consciousness because it has no observable consequences then </font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">neurologists</span><font color="#000000"> can say absolutely positively<b> nothing</b> about consciousness, except that they themselves are conscious. And I would have no proof or even evidence that what they say is true even when they're just talking about themselves.  </font></font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> ​</font></div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-m_8218203615703851088gmail-im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div>what if EVERY observable effect is the result of the conscious mind?  </div></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">It could be but meaning needs contrast, if EVERYTHING is conscious then the observable results would be the same as if NOTHING  was conscious, so I'd have no hope in ever discovering which possibility is true. So it's pointless to worry about consciousness. Worry about observable intelligent behavior instead.  </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark ​</font></div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>