<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">John wrote: if intelligent zombies exist but consciousness produces no observable effects then I can never find evidence contradicting the theory that John K Clark is the only conscious being in the universe.  ​</font></div></div><span class="gmail-im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Just a reminder:  every input to our brain is unconscious before it is conscious</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">How do I know that? </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>-------------</div><div>You know the latter because that's what the neurologists say.</div><div><br></div><div>Aside from the automatic processes like digestion, what if EVERY observable effect is the result of the conscious mind?  Then if you observe actions similar to yours in others, then they were produced by consciousness as a matter of definition (which we still haven't agreed upon)</div><div><br></div><div>bill w</div></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:40 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5985464061279718882WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@<wbr>lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><br><b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">what's with this "we" business? ​The hypothesis that John K Clark is the only conscious being in the universe is 100% consistent with every scrap of evidence I have at my disposal…  John K Clark</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">OK it’s onto us.  Note the time and date.  Self-awareness software eventually figures out what it is.  Hit escape.  Analysis time.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></font></span></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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