<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017  Dan TheBookMan </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>As I asked before, you'd have to do a little more analysis, such as looking at historical rates of longevity.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">The USA has gone backward. In 1960 the USA had the 16th longest lived people, in 2015 they had the 31th longest lived. </font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><a href="http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/history-of-life-expectancy">http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/history-of-life-expectancy</a>.​</div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"> <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>​</div>you wouldn't want to bet people's lives on just taking a statistic out of context, would you?</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">The average cost verses average ​life expectancy is not a </font></div><font size="4">out of context<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ statistic, and yes I'd bet my life on that.​</div></font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Have you also looked at nations that have shorter than the US life expectancy to see if they all don't have single payer systems?</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">​What could we learn from that? You'd expect countries that spend less on healthcare would have shorter lived citizens<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​,​</div> and every country in the world spends less than the USA, the <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​big ​</div>surprise is the 30 countries that spend significantly less but live longer, and it is from them we should look. ​</span><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span><span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>I'd also be careful of accusing people of being emotionally attached or ideologically driven when they disagree with you.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<font size="4">Be honest Dan, if the 30 single payer countries I mentioned spent twice as much on healthcare as the USA and yet their citizens had shorted lives than the USA would you be complaining about </font></div><font size="4"> sampling errors<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ and​</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ ​</div>experimental<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ bias? We both know you wouldn't. ​</div></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark </font></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div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