<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed., 29 Mar. 2017 at 9:41 am, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-3347020028672476205WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"> extropy-chat [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b class="gmail_msg">On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:15 PM</span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-3347020028672476205WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Single Payer Healthcare<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-3347020028672476205WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></p><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 5:32 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-3347020028672476205WordSection1 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"> <u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">​ <u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">Our best bet is to find the best solution.  That is done by having 50 different experiments going simultaneously.  We find the best one and the rest do likewise.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">​Let's be practical, ​<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">​by the time the results of those new 50 experiments come in most of us will be dead from old age, but we already have the experimental results from 30 countries and the results are very clear. I'm certain none of those 30 countries have the perfect healthcare solution, but the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  ​<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><u class="g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