<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Dan wrote:</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">also, libertarianism as a form of radical politics isn't about seizing power. It's about dismantling power. </span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">-----------</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Funny how everybody thinks that they can define libertarianism for everyone. Me, I don't need any purists to define it for me.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Having a police department, for instance, is a concession to authority which I gladly concede: ditto fire, streets, military, etc. and the tax people to gather money to fund such things. Enormously convenient. Has nothing to do with liberty. Or it has to do with liberty gladly given up to those who can do those things a lot better than I can by myself. Makes me a socialist, right? Right.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:33 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Dan TheBookMan </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Slaveholding George Washington </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">All rich men in Virginia were slaveholders at the time, and as Virginia was largest and richest state the first commander and chief was almost certainly going to be a slaveholder. And unlike Jefferson at least Washington freed his slaves when he died. Hey, better late than never. </font></div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>wasn't a radical.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">The British </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">though otherwise. If Washington has lost the war he would have been hanged. </div></font></div><span class=""><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Had history been slightly different</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">George Washington would have been the first king of the USA, instead after 8 years he chose to give up power and go home. That is very rare. </font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Also, libertarianism as a form of radical politics isn't about seizing power.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Then </font></div><font size="4">libertarianism<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> is a trivial movement that should be of no interest to a serious minded individual. </div></font></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>It always is funny in a way that makes me want to puke how self-proclaimed libertarians don't know this.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I've always been a </div>libertarian<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> but at one time I was a radical libertarian like you, and I thought government should go away entirely, but over the years I've come to realize like it or not government simply isn't going away this side of the singularity, so I just must learn to live with it. Yes if we were starting from scratch we could do better, but we're not starting from scratch.</div></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div><br></div></div>
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