An analysis of why the US spends so much and how it could be fixed:<div><br></div><div><a href="https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231949">https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231949</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jason<br><br>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Stathis Papaioannou <<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com">stathisp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>> I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical large employer plan.</span><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 March 2017 at 12:41, Dylan Distasio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','interzone@gmail.com');" target="_blank">interzone@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical large employer plan. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mar 29, 2017 8:10 PM, "Jason Resch" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jasonresch@gmail.com');" target="_blank">jasonresch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:51 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','johnkclark@gmail.com');" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Dan TheBookMan </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danust2012@gmail.com');" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">>></div></span><font size="4" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The USA has gone backward. In 1960</font></span></blockquote><span><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you say that has nothing to do with this?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it as this thread is about medical legislation. </font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer. </font></div></div><span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.</div></div></blockquote><div> <br></div></span><div><div style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Factoid my ass! </div><span style="font-size:large"> </span><br></div><span><div><div> </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">Of those 30 countries you can't find one that is anything like the USA? Are Canadians a different species? </font></div><font size="4"> </font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div>. <span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might benefit from. <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div>Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot in recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">16.8% </font><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">in 2015 </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">vs 19.3% in </font><div style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Japan. </font></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></font></div><span><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>The Japanese life expectancy is higher.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></span><div><font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on health with their single payer plan and the USA spends </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">$ 9405</font><div style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be explained away as a rounding error. </font></div></font></div><span><div> <br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It also costs $2000 to get an MRI in the US and $200 in Japan. It's actually cheaper to get a round trip ticket to Japan and get an MRI there then to get one down the street.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div><br></div></div>
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</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">The actual cost - paid by Government, insurer or patient - of health care is higher in the US compared to other countries with similar per capita GDP.</span></div></div>
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