<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 at 10:23 am, William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg">And there are no scientific facts about consciousness,   John wrote</span><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg">--</span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg">It seems to me that quite a few EEG type studies have been done trying to locate the center of consciousness. </span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg">There are studies of subliminal perception also, which involve influencing the person while bypassing consciousness.</span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg">Are these not scientific?  I do acknowledge that there are tons of junk around about this subject, mostly from philosophers.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The studies try to find a correlation between awareness or awareness and patterns in the brain. They do not demonstrate consciousness. This is why for a long time scientists thought consciousness was bullshit - you couldn't study it scientifically.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_default gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large" class="gmail_msg"></span></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>