<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto" style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-im">On Apr 2, 2017 22:46, "Stathis Papaioannou" <<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com" target="_blank">stathisp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></span><blockquote class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-im"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609quoted-text"><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609elided-text"><br><br></div>It is not obvious that a computation about nature can be conscious, but neither is it obvious that it cannot.<font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609m_2068019221341716712gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div></font></div></div><br></span><span class="gmail-im">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailm<wbr>an/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br><br></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><span style="font-size:small">On 3 April 2017 at 14:17, Will Steinberg </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><<a href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com" target="_blank">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-size:small"> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-">On Apr 2, 2017 22:46, "Stathis Papaioannou" <<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com" target="_blank">stathisp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></span><blockquote class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609quoted-text"><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609elided-text"><br><br></div>It is not obvious that a computation about nature can be conscious, but neither is it obvious that it cannot.<font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail-m_2683848510843480609m_2068019221341716712gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>
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<br></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">All the 'computations about nature' that have ever been and will ever be discussed in this list were *designed by conscious beings*, also known as consciousness.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">You're making the same mistake as the Chinese Room, which is neglecting the fact that someone had to build the room itself.</div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br>Are you implying that it would make a difference how the entity whose consciousness was in question was made? For example, consider three identical robots, one made by humans, the second by weird aliens, the third thrown together from spare parts by a tornado: would you expect that they would have different consciousnesses?<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>
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