<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Will Steinberg </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com" target="_blank">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>No, because they're all made by consciousness. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">​I think it's irrelevant who made the Chinese room.</font> ​</div> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Though the tornado one is a bit ridiculous.  </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​If Everett is right about Many Worlds then in one of those many worlds a tornado DID make the Chinese room, and in another world a tornado went through a junkyard and assembled a​</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​fully functional 747 ready to fly. ​But in most worlds stuff like that doesn't happen and that's why the second law of thermodynamics usually works, there are just more ways to be disorganized than organized.</div></font></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Just saying the Chinese Room knows Chinese because the guy who built it knew Chinese.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​I agree the important thing is if ​<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">the Chinese Room knows Chinese, it doesn't matter if the little man in the room knows Chinese or not, the man is just a small cog in a much much larger system.</span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>