<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So there's just not an appropriate level of understanding of what "libertarian" even means. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">(Sorry if that's a bit juvenile... You guys have always intimidated me from day one)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">-Sophia</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">That's a good post and very true. I have told people that I am a liberal libertarian and have been told back that that's impossible! NO, they say. Libertarians are survivalists and bunker mentality people - basically against all government, taxes, laws, etc. Anarchists. Gun lovers.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So how are we 'true' libertarians going to get our message out? Money. Viable candidates, not always national.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Another problem is that it takes more than one dimension to describe a person's beliefs and values. Take the two dimensions, liberal-conservative, and libertarian-authoritarian, . Can you conceive of a liberal authoritarian? Well, at least one study showed that liberals are more prone to be authoritarians than conservatives. I dunno about that. I'll bet that if you controlled for libertarianism, conservatives would be way more authoritarian - think of all the right wing religionists who would like nothing better than to control our every behavior and thought. Make religious teachings into law and issue severe punishments. Like radical Muslims. Like Torquemada.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So - saying a person is a conservative or a libertarian is pretty far from providing us an overall picture, to say the very least. Look at the split among Repubs in Congress.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> Speak up, Sophia! They have been pretty kind to me, a nontechy type. (They are really a bunch of pussycats.)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">bill w</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:08 AM, SR Ballard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com" target="_blank">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Libertarians don't fit well into the common conception of their the right or the left in the United States.<div><br></div><div>They don't tend to fit with the Right, because even if they are personally socially conservative, they believe that the government should not impose those sorts of social norms onto people. Whereas Conservatives in the United States tend to believe that legislating lifestyle (at least in a certain realm) is their moral duty.</div><div><br></div><div>However, the popular conception of the Left, on the other hand, gravitates more towards social safety policies (unemployment, disability, single payer policies) and legislating morality in the other direction (you must accept X type persons). </div><div><br></div><div>Really, it doesn't fit well in the traditional understanding of either the Right or the Left in the United States. So, often people who consider themselves on the Right will say it is on the Left, and people on the mainstream Left will say it is on the Right.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are also a couple of other reasons that Libertarianism is commonly misunderstood in the United States. Thus far, the public coverage has been poor, in general. Additionally, many different types of groups claim to be libertarian, and so for the average person, determining what is an accurate representation of libertarianism is extremely difficult. </div><div><br></div><div>For example, I used to work for the Democratic Party, and my two closest friends worked in politics also, one as State point for the Green Party, and the other as NW State point for the Libertarian Party. Which of us faced the greatest number of misconceptions? My friend in the Libertarian Party. (And the difference between "Big L" and "little l" libertarians is not lost on me, I promise)</div><div><br></div><div>So there's just not an appropriate level of understanding of what "libertarian" even means. </div><div><br></div><div>(Sorry if that's a bit juvenile... You guys have always intimidated me from day one)</div><div><br></div><div>-Sophia</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Dan TheBookMan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danust2012@gmail.com" target="_blank">danust2012@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><div dir="auto"><span><div><br></div></span>To be sure, conservatives often claim to be libertarians. And many mainstream folks roll libertarians into the Right. (Actually, another completely wrong perception since libertarianism should be on the Left.) Then again, the growth of the libertarian movement has led to many people adopting the label who have no clue about stuff like legalizing sex work and getting government completely out of dictating sexual stuff. But all that started before last year, no?<span><br><br><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Sample my Kindle books via:</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><font color="#000000" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" target="_blank">http://author.to/DanUst</a></font></div></div></div><div style="line-height:normal"><br></div></span></div><br></span><span class="">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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