<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> sb <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I really should go to college >.<</span><br></div><span class="gmail-im" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">adrian wrote<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"> </div></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"></div>Despite what you may hear from others, college is usually a worthwhile</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">investment of time and money - so long as you major in something you</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">will likely be using in your career. (So: "fill-in-the-field</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">engineering" yes, "fill-in-the-human-type studies" no.)</span><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">-<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">-----------------</div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I could not disagree with Adrian more. Of course as a college professor I could be biased.</div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">You will get experiences you can get nowhere else, or at least for far less cost. If college helps with your career - fine. If it doesn't, you'll still have your art, music, literature, psychology, sociology, anthropology etc. as well as the free concerts and a lot more. You will meet people from all over the world; you will experience more diversity of everything than you will anywhere else. Those really will make you a more well-rounded person.</div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">I read where some medical schools are urging the college age person not to take all chemistry and biology etc., but to get outside their future area of expertise</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">.</div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">If you don't need or want any of that, go to a technical school, but even those have some of the above.</div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline"><br></div></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0);display:inline">bill w</div></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:43 AM, SR Ballard <<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> So, with this information, a few things have been said, such as "well,<br>
> then for their own good, humans need to abandon cities". But of<br>
> course, we would want to take this the other way. Why not make cities<br>
> conform to the psychological needs of humans? (or I suppose we could<br>
> find a way to change the psychological drives of humans to better<br>
> adapt to a city environment...)<br>
<br>
</span>Indeed. Humans have flocked to cities since ancient times for good<br>
reason. Thoughtlessly driving humans out of cities because of a<br>
half-baked analysis of one aspect will undo all of that, and wind up<br>
making humans suffer more. So, keep the good and fix the bad part.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> A major issue in urban areas is water-runoff, caused by the blocking<br>
> of soil through building construction, but more pointedly through the<br>
> building of paved, multi-lane roads. Suppose here, we were to kill 2<br>
> birds with one stone, and develop a grass-like structure to replace<br>
> concrete and asphalt roads.<br>
<br>
</span>The reest of this is a good analysis, if only the thing could be made<br>
- and as cheaply as concrete or asphalt. (Don't forget, economics is<br>
ever the driver of these things. Humans may do what's good for them<br>
but they will, almost always, do what's most economically efficient -<br>
and when they don't, it's often because they either can't afford the<br>
short-term investment or simply don't know better.)<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Similarly, light posts could be re-imagined as local varieties of<br>
> trees, the leaves gathering sunlight during the day, and emitting<br>
> light from the underside of each leaf after dark, transmitting excess<br>
> energy produced down through it's trunk, into the lines created by the<br>
> grass.<br>
<br>
</span>There are light poles like this. Almost all you'd need to do would be<br>
to paint them green (or brown for the trunks), maybe dress the trunks<br>
up with fake wood.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Of course, solar currently has a long way to go, especially<br>
> considering the toll it takes to produce cells and batteries, but this<br>
> is a bit pie-in-the-sky I suppose. Comments? Critiques?<br>
<br>
</span>Imagine if you were to build a city for 100,000 from nothing - around<br>
some new mining or other rich, fixed-location resource, for an excuse,<br>
or if you were just handed design responsibilities for one of the new<br>
cities China's popping up all over the place in anticipation of future<br>
population. (If you haven't heard of those, google "China ghost<br>
cities".) How would you plan it?<br>
<span class=""><br>
> I really should go to college >.<<br>
<br>
</span>Despite what you may hear from others, college is usually a worthwhile<br>
investment of time and money - so long as you major in something you<br>
will likely be using in your career. (So: "fill-in-the-field<br>
engineering" yes, "fill-in-the-human-type studies" no.)<br>
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