<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I don't understand why so many people believe consciousness is harder to achieve than intelligence. </div></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">John K Clark</div> </font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">Maybe I missed something. 'Achieve' consciousness? What does that even mean? In an AI, OK, got it. In a person it makes utterly no sense.</font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">Intelligence, depending on the definition, is not something that is achieved. Mainly genetic. Learning millions of facts does not make us smarter than encyclopedias. </font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">If we could agree on some definition of consciousness, then we might be able to program it, but not until then. </font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">So - what characteristics define consciousness in an AI? Step one. Determine if an AI has those. Step 2. So it either does or it doesn't. Of course then the battle starts as to whether the definition of consciousness is correct, when an AI shows some but not all of the characteristics.</font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">In all of these discussions I have not seen a definition for people. What characteristics do we have to find to determine whether a person is conscious? Just someone tell me why we don't have to start here.</font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font size="4">bill w</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:21 PM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Sat, May 27, 2017 William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>Trees react to their environment, sometimes releasing chemicals that tell nearby trees of a disease or insect invasion, clearly an altruistic action protecting their neighbors some of whom may be related. Intelligent? Maybe. Conscious - not.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">I don't understand why so many people believe consciousness is harder to achieve than intelligence. </div></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">John K Clark</div> </font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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