<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:49 AM, William Flynn Wallace </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail-h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​>> ​</div><font size="4">You're <b>ALWAYS</b> going to have ​</font></div><font size="4">infinite regress<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ if you insist on sticking with definitions. Definitions are made of words, and all those words have their own definitions also made of words, and on and on we go for infinity. That's why I say examples are far FAR more important than definitions;</div> intelligent behavior <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​is what Einstein did and rocks didn't.​</div></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>​All very true, but the only example you will give is yourself for consciousness. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​</div><font size="4">That's because I only have one example of consciousness, I suspect you only have one example too but It's logically possible <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ ​</div>you have zero examples.</font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>Solipsistic. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​Yes.​</div> </font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>We need examples that can be measured</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​That would be nice, but it's never going to happen.​</font></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​> ​</div>- ain't science otherwise.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​</div>And that's why all the consciousness blather on the internet<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">​ ​</div>ain't science. So forget consciousness theories and work on intelligence theories.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">​ John K Clark ​</font></div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>