<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">spike wrote: <span style="font-size:21.3333px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">In those areas, as far as I know it is difficult to even qualify to sit for the boards exam without a college degree in the topic</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:21.3333px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:21.3333px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Yes, yes, but that's now. And it needs to change. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:21.3333px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Of course videos are better. At the U of A nobody thought about making money with the videos, and so they were soso at best.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Get rid of professors: already started. Get adjuncts: same reason you want to learn online - don't have to pay health care, pensions, other perks. </span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">How may profs are productive? And how many just write for conferences and don't have the quality to get into journals? A majority, I think.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">We don't know much about what a college graduate can do in many cases. Answer: the tests I referred to. Tests would be constructed by those who actually do the jobs the hirees will be doing if hired and then polished by the psychometrician.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Then we will see that real quality, real knowledge, can be tested by valid instruments. Who cares about a degree? Show them what you can do. </span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Right now grad schools almost always demand the GRE, as they have no idea what people know who graduated from Podunk U. Ditto LSAT, MCAT</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Then you move on to advanced knowledge like doctors get certification in advanced techniques and areas.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">Yeah, I am trying to fix it all, not just help one of our own. For now, the traditional way has to be it - I agree.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:21.3333px">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5718720913402725537WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>>…</b> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Greener Urban Environment<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>>…<span style="color:#222222">Modern people can learn online all the stuff we ancients learned the traditional way at enormous expense</span>…<span style="color:#222222">spike</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:#222222">Long ago, when people were still people (around 1966 for me), at the U of Alabama they put in a TV course for Psych 101. </span>… <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BillW, compare and contrast please the content and quality of those 1966 lectures to the online content available today, then comment if you wish.<span style="color:#222222"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>…<span style="color:#222222">Why not do like the old lawyers did: study it on their own and pass the bar exam? No law school courses needed. Why couldn't this be done for math and many other subjects?</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">We already have a system of establishing credentials for some professions, which is used to grant titles to those who pass. Medicine, law, accounting and engineering are four examples. In those areas, as far as I know it is difficult to even qualify to sit for the boards exam without a college degree in the topic. Engineering you can, but it requires additional time in apprenticeship, something not really available to medics or lawyers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">>…<span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Labs are not mentioned. Aren't they useful in many cases? Take chemistry online and never get the opportunity to blow up the lab? bill w</span><span style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Lab courses might be the prime candidate for being replaced by sims, since lab courses are relatively expensive and possibly dangerous. As in pilot school, not only are sims good enough to do all the training, they are preferred. You can throw situations at the trainees too dangerous for real-life. A person can get a commercial pilot’s license without ever having left the ground.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">We can sim chemistry labs already. Don’t know about biology labs.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></font></span></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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