<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mike wrote; <span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">we will probably find a bunch of reasons that are obscured behind a one-size/one-problem sound bite.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">It would take a lot of research to determine what you want to know. I will assume that more homeless vets committed suicide than others; that the homeless ones were more likely to be addicted to alcohol and/or drugs - and so on.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">None of that makes any difference to me. They need all kinds of help and they are mostly not getting it from our government, which implicitly promised them that. If we could get them housed ,we could start dealing with addiction, PTSD, and other problems. Not since WWII have vets been greeted by the rest of us as returning heroes. Is it because we knew that those wars were mistakes? And none of them won? Not the fault of the vets. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Re wars: has there been a defensible one since WWII? No.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">What will the Repubs get us into now so that their military industrial complex buddies can make more billions?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:19.2px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">bill w</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Dave Sill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think we should work on the vet problem by ending the wars we're fighting, closing bases on foreign soil, drastically cutting the military budget, and improving the VA.<div><br></div><div>But that won't happen, obviously.</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Mike Dougherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com" target="_blank">msd001@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:19 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It now seems that vets are committing suicide at the rate of 20 or so a day. More Vietnam vets have done so than died in combat there.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">The VA promises to cut waiting time, is being reorganized, is underfunded, etc.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I am not a vet but was a clinical psychologist in part, and it seems that vets and PTSD is being treated like mental illness - i.e. like please just go away, I don't want to think about you.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Sapolsky, whose book I have finished and will review shortly, says that brain images had to be shown to Congress so that they understand that a disease is there, not just some wimpy guys crying themselves to sleep at night.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Outside of the mentally ill, I just don't know of a group that deserves far, far more attention than these vets. Alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness, are rampant.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Why would anyone want to go fight a war for the USA? Especially in unwinnable wars like we have now.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra">How many of those vets are also among the statistics for opioid-related deaths? I'm not asking to isolate the groups as much as identify that there are confounding factors that make single-symptom treatments unlikely to be effective. If we start considering the extenuating circumstances for each demographic (or vets specifically) we will probably find a bunch of reasons that are obscured behind a one-size/one-problem sound bite.<br></div></div>
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