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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] evolution<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>spike wrote </span><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> we may find that most beasts use tools in some way, and</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>many of them make tools.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="gmail-:k4"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="gmail-:k4"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>There is a problem here with interpretation. If a person, aka human, used a tool, he must have learned it somehow, watching, experimenting - aka learning either from others or just from messing around</span>…<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So show me learning to use tools and I'll be happy with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>bill w<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t have a reference, but the chimps might be our best bet: the mother chimps show their offspring how to make a termite catching stick by choosing a long straight twig and stripping the leaves. Some chimps never learn how to do that. Jared Diamond (I think he was the one) observed that chimps seem to learn that skill easier than humans do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>