<div dir="ltr">Twenty years after the heyday of the peace movement in the 1960's, we were in the middle of the 80's - Cash was King and Greed was Good. The entire movement, right down to it's most basic ethical foundations, disappeared without a trace.<div><br></div><div>And now here I am, on a mailing list 20 years after what was arguably the heyday of the Extropian/Transhuman movement of the late 90's, reading a article about an AI that learned to play chess at superhuman levels given only a description of the rules at 24 hours of runtime.</div><div><br></div><div>That's the opposite of what happened to the hippies. </div><div><br></div><div>It's weird to watch the wildest speculatory dreams of a fringe movement become true in realtime.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:32 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:42 AM, spike </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-m_779816683084580819WordSection1"><div><div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>They played Stockfish, which is a very highly respected program with a lotta lotta programmed-in chess wisdom. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></span><div><font size="4"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">And out of 100 games when playing white </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">against Stockfish AlphaGo won 25 games, and when playing black it won 3 games, </div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">AlphaGo</font><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> lost no games, the remaining 72 games were ties. And it learned how to do this in less than a day. By the way, from these results i</font></div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">t looks like having the first move i<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">s</div> a inherent advantage<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> in Chess.</div></span></font></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>I still haven’t convinced myself it is true. </blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">If this is a hoax it's a very elaborate one the likes of which we haven't seen since the cold fusion fiasco. </font></div><font size="4"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">And the hoax would involve a huge company like Google and that doesn't seem very likely.</div></font></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01815v1.pdf" target="_blank">https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.<wbr>01815v1.pdf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark </font></div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-m_779816683084580819WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"> To figure out all that in a day requires some powerful inference activity. John I am putting myself in the camp of hope it’s true, but estimate 70% chance it isn’t. I don’t know how the hell they did this if true.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal">><span style="font-size:13.5pt">…</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> And if you ever hear that it's starting to treat optimizing computer code as a game then you may be hearing the opening notes of the Singularity. This is big…John K Clark<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal">Sure and is there any reason why we shouldn’t treat code optimization as a game? It is a clearly-definable goal: we can set the task to give a known outcome, give it a time to beat and a memory allocation to beat, may the best machine win. It’s one of those new sports I have been yakking about for years, a great example of geek Olympics. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal">I want robot gymnastics too. Whooda thunk that would just appear like it has?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/11/17/atlas-boston-dynamics-robot-backflip-cnntech.cnnmoney" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnm<wbr>oney/2017/11/17/atlas-boston-<wbr>dynamics-robot-backflip-<wbr>cnntech.cnnmoney</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal">We could have a code-athlon, where the game is to write the best and most efficient code, then let computers play against each other and against humans.<span class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><span class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div><div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="m_-6587777225373804287gmail-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div><br></span><span class="">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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